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Make parcel banlines visible to estate managers

Sean Petit
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Join date: 22 Nov 2006
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03-02-2007 08:09
Many private estate owners prohibit the use of generic parcel bans/barriers on certain regions/parcels via covenants. However, since estate owners have full rights and cannot be banned from parcels on thier estates, any ban in place is always unseen and permeable while viewing/travelling the sim. I have to be informed by other residents when a parcel ban is in place in violation of the covenant.

So, my request: either make parcel barriers visible to estate managers (still permeable, however), or add functionality to the Estate tools to disable parcel bans for any parcel in a region. I think visibility would be the simplist solution.
Zaphod Kotobide
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03-03-2007 07:09
Clarification:
In most cases, it is not the use of bans that violates the covenant, but the use of the access list. People often confuse the two. It is generally acceptable to ban specific agents from a parcel, while it is generally unacceptable for a parcel owner/renter to activate the "access" list, which restricts entry to only those specified, and puts up the big red lines for everyone else. It does seem in your post that you are in fact referring to the access list however..

That all being said, I personally would favor the inclusion of an estate wide option to disable use of the access list, except by the estate owner or managers. This is a very common problem, and it's frustrating for both the estate owners as well as the residents. Not being an estate owner myself, I wasn't aware that you guys couldn't see the restriction lines.. which obviously makes it even more difficult to enforce..
SuezanneC Baskerville
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03-03-2007 11:43
Maybe a ban and access list display on the map.
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Haravikk Mistral
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03-03-2007 12:36
I'd like both sub-suggestions, Zaphod's estate-wide options for access and/or ban to enable/disable the use of these two features.
And Suzanne's highlighting of banned and access list restricted parcels, in two different colours perhaps, on the map/mini-map so you know to avoid them.
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Sean Petit
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Join date: 22 Nov 2006
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03-06-2007 09:39
Really, while I'd love to be able to disable access list control, I'd be happy if I could just see the banlines. That seems the simplist solution from a programming perspective as its probably a function of the viewer.
Sean Petit
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Join date: 22 Nov 2006
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03-06-2007 09:41
From: Zaphod Kotobide
Clarification:
In most cases, it is not the use of bans that violates the covenant, but the use of the access list. People often confuse the two. It is generally acceptable to ban specific agents from a parcel, while it is generally unacceptable for a parcel owner/renter to activate the "access" list, which restricts entry to only those specified, and puts up the big red lines for everyone else. It does seem in your post that you are in fact referring to the access list however..


You are absolutely correct in that it is the access list causing the problems. Thank you for that clarification.
Warda Kawabata
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03-06-2007 14:24
Is this what alts are for? I agree it would be useful, but a simple workaround already exists, so it isn't really high priority.
Rihanna Laasonen
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Join date: 22 Nov 2006
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03-07-2007 08:47
I'd go one step further and make the ban line visibility toggleable on all parcels, not just estates -- and have it default to visible. Might have fewer people using them on the mainland if they saw what it was they were actually doing. And I can think of a few cases where it might help builders to be able to temporarily turn visibility on, when working on restricted and nonrestricted neighboring parcels.
Sean Petit
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Join date: 22 Nov 2006
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03-07-2007 11:15
From: Warda Kawabata
Is this what alts are for? I agree it would be useful, but a simple workaround already exists, so it isn't really high priority.


Hmmm... I don't recall being told by the concierge after purchasing my sim that I needed to build an alt to access functionality that was unavailable to my primary (and bill paying) avatar. I shouldn't require an alt to perform estate management functions.
Angel Fluffy
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03-07-2007 15:31
The Estate Management Working Group that I founded awhile back had some discussions about suitable features that would help estate owners/managers.

One of them was a checkbox for each region/estate : "allow access lines?"

If this is unchecked, residents cannot enable access lines on their parcels. They can ban people and use security orbs, but they cannot use access lines. Rather like 'push restriction', when they try to use it they just see the option greyed out and and 'region override' displayed instead.

This proposal was floated awhile back but we diddn't press ahead with it because we figured that LL is so far behind on bug fixes and feature requests that it has essentially nil chance of being implemented in the next 6 months.
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Shaka Saintlouis
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SO what is the status???
06-05-2007 10:24
It has been over a year now