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Dave Zeeman

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01-27-2004 20:54

A LOT of people don't actually use hair. Yet, it still sits there inside their skull. I was thinking... would it help lag at all if we actually had the option to turn hair off? I'd say 1/4th of the population would turn it off and maybe save a couple Polys for your VPU. What do ya think?

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Oz Spade

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01-27-2004 20:59

I endorse this idea/feature.

Also it would be cool to turn off any body part, don't want an arm? *click* there your right arm is gone. Etc.

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Eggy Lippmann

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01-27-2004 21:37

Err.. Dave I kinda thought modern graphics cards didnt render hidden objects at all. At least my old Kyro2 claimed not to render them, dunno about the new geforces, but last I heard GF3's had something to that effect, so GF4 and FX most likely also do.

Dave Zeeman

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01-27-2004 23:43

Graphic card polys, bandwidth, whatever! I dunno, I'm just sayin that some sort of performance might be enhanced if the hair wasn't required to be loaded up.

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Carnildo Greenacre

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01-28-2004 00:12

The triangles still need to be fed to the card, and the card still needs to make the effort to cull them.

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Huns Valen

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01-28-2004 01:05

How about "do not render my avatar" for people like me who have full-body stuff going on?

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Oz Spade

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01-28-2004 03:17

That would be great huns, but then people could make "invisible" avatars. Maybe have the ability to turn off every limb except the torso? or head? Or have it so you have to have atleast 1 limb visible at all time?

Then you'd get just floating hands/heads and the like, while humorous they could be hard to see.

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Sinclair Valen

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01-28-2004 10:05

I'd like to see this option implemented - the ability to turn off hair rendering

- but I don't think I'd use it, cause then it'd be too much like RL

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Hank Ramos

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01-28-2004 10:16

I' still waiting for a hairy chest

eltee Statosky

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01-28-2004 11:03

how about the option should become available to 40% of the men selected at random from the oldest half of the population

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Upshaw Underhill

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01-28-2004 15:19

I agree that anything for another that gives me another frame or two per second is a good thing, but except for a few "costume" AVs most people *do* have hair. Since you're rendering more of their hair than yours you wont be getting rid of a lot of polygons.

Plus if you've got a vidcard that supports the Avatar Vertex option you not only get better looking hair but it's relatively easy on the GPU.

Sadly the same goes for turning off your AV, as soon as there is another AV onscreen you're rendering another just as complex shape.

Oz, turning off the rendering would only affect your client. So you'd only be invisible to yourself.

Removing limbs could be interesting, there are plenty of fun things you could implement on AV rendering, but I'd guess thats quite a bit of coding, UV mapping changes, etc.

I'd rather see programming time spent on uploadable gestures, shared gestures, etc.

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Dave Zeeman Master Procrastinator Join date: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,025	01-27-2004 20:54 A LOT of people don't actually use hair. Yet, it still sits there inside their skull. I was thinking... would it help lag at all if we actually had the option to turn hair off? I'd say 1/4th of the population would turn it off and maybe save a couple Polys for your VPU. What do ya think? _____________________ llToggleDaveZeemanIntelligence(FALSE); Philip Linden: Zeeman, strip off the suit! Dave Zeeman - Keeping Lindens on their toes since v0.3.2!
Oz Spade ReadsNoPostLongerThanHand Join date: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 2,708	01-27-2004 20:59 I endorse this idea/feature. Also it would be cool to turn off any body part, don't want an arm? click there your right arm is gone. Etc. _____________________ "Don't anticipate outcome," the man said. "Await the unfolding of events. Remain in the moment." - Konrad
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	01-27-2004 21:37 Err.. Dave I kinda thought modern graphics cards didnt render hidden objects at all. At least my old Kyro2 claimed not to render them, dunno about the new geforces, but last I heard GF3's had something to that effect, so GF4 and FX most likely also do.
Dave Zeeman Master Procrastinator Join date: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,025	01-27-2004 23:43 Graphic card polys, bandwidth, whatever! I dunno, I'm just sayin that some sort of performance might be enhanced if the hair wasn't required to be loaded up. _____________________ llToggleDaveZeemanIntelligence(FALSE); Philip Linden: Zeeman, strip off the suit! Dave Zeeman - Keeping Lindens on their toes since v0.3.2!
Carnildo Greenacre Flight Engineer Join date: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 1,044	01-28-2004 00:12 The triangles still need to be fed to the card, and the card still needs to make the effort to cull them. _____________________ perl -le '$_ = 1; (1 x $_) !~ /^(11+)\1+$/ && print while $_++;'
Huns Valen Don't PM me here. Join date: 3 May 2003 Posts: 2,749	01-28-2004 01:05 How about "do not render my avatar" for people like me who have full-body stuff going on? _____________________ [ huns? \|\| words \|\| 1TBS KREW \|\| VHI Aircraft \|\| Whitepaper on Aircraft Physics ] Make yourself and your objects immune to llPushObject().
Oz Spade ReadsNoPostLongerThanHand Join date: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 2,708	01-28-2004 03:17 That would be great huns, but then people could make "invisible" avatars. Maybe have the ability to turn off every limb except the torso? or head? Or have it so you have to have atleast 1 limb visible at all time? Then you'd get just floating hands/heads and the like, while humorous they could be hard to see. _____________________ "Don't anticipate outcome," the man said. "Await the unfolding of events. Remain in the moment." - Konrad
Sinclair Valen The One who Was Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 360	01-28-2004 10:05 I'd like to see this option implemented - the ability to turn off hair rendering - but I don't think I'd use it, cause then it'd be too much like RL =Sinclair _____________________ * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * SL Fiction:: "HIPPOS: Gnomecrusher's Legacy" In a world of Second Life, Stomp, Maw and Wallow are three young hippos. Seeking to avenge their lost father, they soon discover a threat to all Avatars. (2006-0 Unforgotten. Please stand by.
Hank Ramos Lifetime Scripter Join date: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 2,328	01-28-2004 10:16 I' still waiting for a hairy chest
eltee Statosky Luskie Join date: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 1,258	01-28-2004 11:03 how about the option should become available to 40% of the men selected at random from the oldest half of the population ;P _____________________ wash, rinse, repeat
Upshaw Underhill Techno-Hobbit Join date: 13 Mar 2003 Posts: 293	01-28-2004 15:19 I agree that anything for another that gives me another frame or two per second is a good thing, but except for a few "costume" AVs most people do have hair. Since you're rendering more of their hair than yours you wont be getting rid of a lot of polygons. Plus if you've got a vidcard that supports the Avatar Vertex option you not only get better looking hair but it's relatively easy on the GPU. Sadly the same goes for turning off your AV, as soon as there is another AV onscreen you're rendering another just as complex shape. Oz, turning off the rendering would only affect your client. So you'd only be invisible to yourself. Removing limbs could be interesting, there are plenty of fun things you could implement on AV rendering, but I'd guess thats quite a bit of coding, UV mapping changes, etc. I'd rather see programming time spent on uploadable gestures, shared gestures, etc.