Permission system is a joke

I personly dislike the whole permission system all together.

+The Creator should always have a way to Restore Full Permissions on something,, maby via password, eather Your account password Or a sepret one. Even if it is owned By someone else atm.+ .Please read "OK OK" below.

I think it should be based on a read write copy transfer, system


Modify acts as both Read write. These 2 should be sepret.
You should be able to even shut off read permissions. someone who dosnt have read permission cn not even see the object.

Also you should be able to have a List on each object much like the access/ban lists.
Exmpl.

Prim 1
John w--t
Marry rwct
anyone else ----

There you now have an object that john and marry can both see, and transfer, Marry can Edit it and copy it also.
But nobody else can even see it.

Also , you should be able to select deafults for each type of created thing..
For all textures i creat there automatily set to next owner wrc-
for all prims r--t
Or i can change the default If i want to via the options dialog.
Also an easier way to mod permissions in an objects content. and all linked prims content.
Maby a "set to all" check box on the parrent prim

No.

I agree permissions are bugged and limited on how to use... but... I'm not seeing how having the creator be able to re-enable certain perms would accomplish anything? I mean, once you transfer it... it's their property.

Also, are you 18 yet?

-Hiro Pendragon

Do you realize the new griefing this could create? Whats to stop a dishonest retailer from just going around to all his sold items and changing permissons, then deleting them? Or evening writing a script, hiding it in a child prim, that does this automatically for him?

a HUGE no to this.

I think I didnt make Myselfe clear.

I dont mean to enable someone to go around and steal stuff they created..

Im talking "you sell something that is no transfer, but your customer wants a refund"

With the customers consent and a password of youres, you can re-anable transfer and allow them to give it back to you. or even maby enable transfer to only you.

When you try to edit permissions of someone elses object, they would be prompted with an "allow/deny" box.


and I find that question about my age verry offensive.
If its my spelling your reffering to.. i could care less. i dont check anything that i type in e-mails,chat, or otherwise.
And if this is the case please ignore the below.

But if your intention was a rude one, Ill have you know, I am not 18, I am 22, with a 22 year old wife, and 2 boys , ages 3 and 1, and a girl less than a month away. And my underware size is .. o wait you didnt ask that personal question, just the age one.
But if you need any other personal information dont hesatate to ask, ide be glad to go ahead and scan a copy of my birth certifacate while im at it.

Jason,

Actually it wasn't just your spelling, it was (a) The fact that you call yourself "LordJason" and (b) how you called the system "a joke" rather than having a less-attacking subject line (putting the developers on the defensive is never a good way to get your ideas through).

If you're talking about refunds, there's no real easy answer.
See, if you do what you suggest, then if the item is copyable, a person could simply make a copy, sell back the original, and then get a free item. It's no safer than you just returning the person's money and asking them to delete the item.

If you have another suggestion on how modifying the way permissions work, please, present it, but otherwise I don't think the benefit is evident.

Cashmere,


llDie();

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What's ironic is that the permissions system was called "a joke" and yet the biggest flaw - namely the bugs in permissions inheritence - was not mentioned.

-Hiro Pendragon
Serving SL from Varney 200,200

The one thing i dont get is if you give some one something you made and then get it back and it was no mod etc then why the hell cant you edit it since it blatianly says:

Creator: person123
Owner: person123

im not sure if thats what you meant by inheritance but i know that i have daelt with it b4 and its a tad obnoxouns

for you wonderful folks running Internet Explorer i would like to recommend ieSpell. It's an extension for IE that lets you spell check you your posts before you submit.

www.iespell.com
it's free and free of spyware and ads.

I would recommend getting firefox instead. Using IE is like advertising on national television "HACK MY PUTER KTHX!!!!"

Also, there's an excellent open-source spellchecker for Mozilla Firefox-- Spellbound.

Firefox is faster, smaller, generally more stable, and WHEN Quicktime or Flash screws up and Mozilla actually manages to crash, it doesn't screw up your shell at the same time.

It's an all-around better browser than IE, and can even be themed to look exactly like it, albeit with handy features like tabbed browsing and default popup blocking.

the crashing screwing up your shell is more of an issue for win9x & me less so for 2k & xp. If you are going to use Windows i recommend upgrading. I actualy like IE because of it's feature layout; i understand the architecture design goal. IE & Explorer were designed with interfaces that could be used to totaly change how they functioned. Overall these interfaces haven't been fully used. People lack vision. The registry is one of windows greatest strength, unfortunatly many of these interfaces implemented through it are undocumented. My major gripe about Mozilla development is that the script debugger has a high learning curve (and I already know how to write extensions for IE so i haven't bothered).

Sorry about the hijack, but I beg to differ here with Strife. The registry is *one* huge, bulky, old, relic that really needs to be refactored to use a different system. I mean, its ONE file, for crying out loud. Because of that, it gets fragmented easily, corrupted easily, and replaced easily.

Programs that have dumb installers, or do it on purpose, leave old, cryptic crap lying around in the registry. Because its one "global" file, there's no way to know *exactly* which programs rely on what data, so tampering with it may lead to massive amounts of chaos. The registry is one of the reasons why a fresh, formatted, new installation of windows seems so much faster then when windows has been installed for awhile.

Im not experianced enough at programming to have a solution to it though. Keeping one program's settings seperate from other program's settings seems like a better solution though.
==Chris

Ok your missing the point.

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If you're talking about refunds, there's no real easy answer.
See, if you do what you suggest, then if the item is copyable, a person could simply make a copy, sell back the original, and then get a free item. It's no safer than you just returning the person's money and asking them to delete the item.
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If the system were based on the method i suggestted, that wouldnt even be an issue, you could sell "no copy no transfer" objects.
Or rather than selling "the object" you sell permissions to the object, via the suggested access list.

Did any of you read the WHOLE post or did you all just stop at the "The Creator should always have a way to Restore Full Permissions on something" and decide to flame me?