Notecard and Texture spamming lowlifes

My thread got deleted for profanity :/ Not sure what in there was profanity, but I apologize.

The question, however, was quite serious. I really do want to know the answer.

Will Linden developers please consider a change to the process that results in notecards and textures automatically opening on the user's client?

Hi RobbyRacoon,

FYI, I've moved this to Feature Suggestions.

Such a feature might indeed be useful. If you could elaborate in this thread on how you could imagine it working in a way that would benefit folks, that would be great.

Take care,
-Pathfinder

Maybe an Objct Inbox where thngs people send you get stored, under a folder with their name. Then when you log in, you may still get notification spam, but you won't have textures and notecards to close. If you don't know the person, you can just delete the whole folder, or pick and choose what goes into the inventory proper. It could be another main directory, like the Library is, or under own inventory.

First you have to define what spamming is.

We started up an invitation program recently which allows our regulars to send special invitations to freinds, people so invited recieve a (single) invitation, to come by the club and we give them some fun money when they arrive ($500L), so obviously we don't send them out to just anybody.

Now this is an invitation A.) from someone they know, B.)One (1) single invite, C.) we give them lindens when they show up!

Yet, we still get complaints of Spam.

Now obviously if you got so upset with being spammed that your language got the better of you, and your post deleted, it would seem that you got more than a single notecard, right? If someone is sending you multiple notecards, it's abuse, and it should be reported. If you are just getting a couple of individual notecards, just click them off, it's nothing to get upset about. Finally if you are getting SWAMPED with individual notecards, you should consider how that is happenning, and what places you've been going to. I'm a club owner, if anyone should get spammed it would be me, I meet tons of new people every day, yet I'd be surprised if I get more than a single spammy notecard per month.

Spamming is sending me anything that serves as advertising for any place or service or product (etc) that I have not explicitly demonstrated an interest in.

More specific to this thread, spamming is the ability for unscrupulous individuals to force my client to display notecards and textures that I have not consented to.

"Spam" has a pretty well understood and widespread popular meaning, so I don't think I need to elaborate further.



What you described is spam. I do not care if you are gonna give me money if I show up, that is completely irrelevant. I will never show up because I have no interest. Your ad popping up in my face is exactly what I am complaining about.

And you don't tell me which friend "referred" me? That is unfortunate, because that person would cease to be my friend right then and there. I do happen to know it's absolutely not true that it's only from someone you know, though

I rarely go anywhere but three themed islands, so I do not think that is part of the issue in my case. I absolutely never to go any clubs or casinos, very rarely to any sandboxes, and generally don't like the mainland much at all.

Nearly all of the spam I get is from casinos and clubs (including yours, btw) and I find that frustrating in the extreme. Teleport offers from total strangers, notecards, ads, you name it. People (perhaps not you, I won't speculate) obviously just go through the Search list and spam it with ads.

If you don't do that, great for you, but then I really don't care to hear an explanation of why you don't spam Don't tell me it doesn't happen, or suggest that it's "where I hang out" or in any other way related to my habits or behavior or friends, because that is complete crap and you know it.

But enough about you, you are just one of the multitude. There are many others who are in fact (as far as I can tell) much worse :/



It's a problem, not even an isolated problem, and it is easily prevented.

First, SL is kind enough to put items that I receive while offline into my Recent Items folder. This is great, and is actually sufficient if I am told that there are things waiting there for me. The fact that the SL client opens notecards and textures received while offline as soon as I log in is just plain stupid.

Opening a box of textures and using Copy to Inventory could certainly be made smarter. Clearly the 90% case when opening a box of 200 textures is that the user does not want to view all 200 right then and there, and shouldn't the 90% case rule in UI design?

I participate in melee combat frequently. It is a real pain in the ass when even a good friends send me a notecard or picture that opens up right in the middle of a duel and I can no longer see my opponent. It's even more aggravating when it's some random jerk doing it.

Wouldn't it be make sense to treat it like an instant message? Give the sender an IM tab, place a message containing a link to the item into the IM conversation? Or a dialog.

Come on LL, there have to be a great many ideas that you can think of to streamline that process for a better user experience all around and take care of spammers at the same time.

I will be very happy to show you the script and list that we use, The ***ONLY*** way to get one of our invitations is for one of our customers to invite you. (I cannot think of a reason for somebody you don't know to send you a $500L invite, but maybe I'm missing something) Even if somebody sent you one of our invitations just to bug you, it doesn't make sense, as they would be essentially giving you free money.

We obviously have two entirely different definitions of what spam is, and thats ok, we can agree to disagree. If someone sent me unsolicited superbowl tickets or a $500 check, you wouldn't hear me complaining.

But be-that-as-it-may, accept my apologies for the invitation, it's impossible to ever get another one (Unless you have more than one avatar), and I hope that will accomidate you. I wish you the best in the New Year.

I wish you the best in the new year as well, I hope 2007 is a good year for you in every possible way.

I cannot imagine who would have invited my other avatar, as I never use it in public and it has no friends at all, but that is beside the point.

You got to take the brunt of my irritation today, I guess, because you stepped into the thread But it was not you that started my tirade. I just leapt on you because you were "here" and I remembered getting an invite. Fact is, I get TP invites and notecard spam from many many others over the last 8 months and I do believe you are correct that I only ever got one notecard from you.

However derailed I got in attempting to make my point, what I really wanted to do was make the point that some people take advantage of a poor design decision in the SL client to spam and that Linden Labs could choose to redesign that part.


P.S.: I wouldn't know what to do with a SuperBowl ticket, find someone to give it to, I guess. I am not into sports either, haha.

[aside: I don't think that's a good definition of spamming. It's a way to recognise when someone is probably spamming, yes, but sending someone a notecard, or an email, or posting a message, isn't spam.

What makes it spam is doing it indiscriminately to people you have no relationship with.

Posting the same message over and over again in forum after forum, sending the mail to lists of strangers, sending a notecard to everyone on a list.

I have no doubt that what Robby is seeing is spam, but it's important that the "bulk" or "broadcast" nature of spam be kept in mind]

I entirely agree with Robby's analysis of the situation. It's amazing that it's been allowed to continue.

The first problem is that when a person or a script sends you a texture or a notecard it's not treated exactly as if they sent you an object - you should get a blue dialog box saying that you have been sent a notecard, would you like to view/accept/discard it?

If you click "view" *then* you get it popped up on your screen.

This step should probably be bypassed when sending a notecard or a texture from a touch handler to the agent whose touch triggered the handler (llDetectedKey(0)), but not otherwise.

This would have been a better way to solve another old problem - people sending you content when you're offline and you get no notification that it's happened.

The second problem is that EVERY notecard or texture you're sent or that you get from a box gets displayed. This means that copying a box containing enough textures to inventory more or less requires that you log out to use the client again. Also, people can use a "texture bomb" to kill a client. IF there is a notecard, texture, or a notecard or texture dialog currently displayed, then subsequent textures or notecards from each source should be queued and coalesced into a dialog that says "You have copied 100 textures from Joe Shmoe's Texture Freebie Box: view/accept/discard".

I hate the 'feature' that opens things automatically, I was happier when they just went into my folder and I could look at them at my leisure.

What about an inventory tab "Received items" which lists all items you received recently?

Why define spamming just make the rules more universal and simple. I love getting photos and notecards...but hate it when the photo takes 50 minutes to load cause I am in lags ville or typing something important, etc. I can understand the issue posted by the orgional poster and also just in general as we recieve things both online and offline. While I know we have the objects folder for things that gets cluttered fast. Maybe we should have a "received" folder where everything goes when we were offline so we can sort it before it is moved to the appropriate folder (objects, scripts, textures, clothing). Also maybe allow it to be where new stuff comes in before going to those folders? This way it applies to everything instead of just notecards and textures.

The current delivery of objects though no matter what is how we should recieve textures and notecards. Have the accept or decline come up and then we can go search for it. No need to have them come up as if the world is coming to an end. In essencce notecards and pictures trump the linden world messages in "annoyance factor" of which the LL messages are no annoyance but the uninvited, random, unannounced popping up of notecards and pcitures are. BTW this also happens any time a texture or notecard is brought into inventory....including moving 300 freebie textures.

Argent disagrees with my definition of spam, but I want to point out that I do not have a relationship with any of the people that I am complaining about, and that I can only assume they are doing the same thing to several other people at the same time. That is mass broadcasting, even though I may see only one instance personally. Just as with email spam it is the cumulative effect of many people doing it that chokes my inbox, and rarely a single source.

Good point about texture bombs, I had not considered that. Could be quite easy indeed to choke the texture memory of even a good graphics card.

We have recently experienced several grid attacks where the attacking objects give inventory, and even one that tried to pop up web pages.... Easy to imagine that someone will use highly offensive textures and notecards with spectacular results.



YES! Exactly!!! So simple, and yet it's a massive improvement over the current design.

I Endorse this PRODUCT and/or SERVICE.

[aside: the inventory tab is silly, because there's only one other tab. You don't need "tabs" when you only have two alternatives, tabs are for situations where you have *many* views you need to display. Really, when you define a filter that should go in a tab, and things like "recent items" or "only this folder" or "received items" should be among the filters you can apply.]

Agreed, but they seem unwilling to give up on them, dunno if you saw my other tab idea for attachments; lists all worn attachments by category (face, upper, lower) and location (left eye, skull, chest etc), great if they introduced multiple attachments per location. May as well make some more useful ones if we have to keep fixed tabs rather than getting our own

Oh, I entirely agree that what you're seeing is spam. I already said that.

You don't have to imagine it, there's already griefer tools doing it.

Slightly offtopic per say from the orgional post but maybe make those tabs "customized". I know a few I would do. Break down by item type, since last logoff, etc.


I do agree with Argent Stonecutter's idea of how to resolve the situation. Spam or no spam having the "pop ups" are annoying. It's not that the items are pointless...pop ups in SL as in HTML/web is just...annoying and in your face.

yes there is a company in SL selling a griefer tool which shoots unending streams of textures or landmarks at their victim. An acquaintance of mine was targeted by this over the weekend, and after searching the name of the item which was sending him the spam, I was surprised to see it was openly marketed as a griefer tool. I don't understand why Linen Labs allows this kind of thing to be openly sold.

Good lord thats horrible. people who create objects like that should be perma-banned. It is just that sort of thing that creates angst for the entire game. Objects like that do NOTHING to improve the game or add to it, and unlike orbiters and whatnot, have no use even in a battle sim. The ONLY use for such an object is to ruin the fun for someone else.

On the original subject, I don't know why the lindens don't create some sort of folder, perhaps even with anti-spam filters, as it was pointed out, even a texture or notecard from a freind can be annoying if you are in the middle of doing something.

I'm 100% for it.

Make it costs L$25 to make a transfer that is discarded. Discarding would have a confirmation that'd explain it'll cost the sender, so you could instead choose to delete from inventory so it wouldn't cost the sender, but refusing it at the keep-discard stage would cost the sender.

Don't have the money to cover this fee and you are prevented from making any more transfers until you pay up.

I don't like this idea cause then it puts the power in the hands of those "that can pay". Honestly just treat them like objects. A nice little "Linden Blue Screen" that appears and says "So and so has given you a texture would you like to accept" (or whatever it says). If from say a box you own to a folder then just transfer it over. No need to spam our screens.

The changes so far to inventory are good but a few more tweaks and it could be perfect.