Script limits for avatars
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Felix Oxide
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11-07-2008 23:23
Estates need a better way to control scripts on visiting avatars. Sim crashing via scripted attachments is a popular way for griefers to crash sims. It seems silly to me that the only protection we have from these attacks are to turn off scripts which in turn affects the user experience. I am not a scripter so I do not understand how sims can be crashed by scripts, but I see it all the time. I would love to see a day that we can actually enjoy the estates we pay for with out some jerk being able to come in and simply crash it.
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Felix Oxide
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11-11-2008 17:35
I was thinking more about this and was wondering if maybe it would be better to have avatar based scripts draw resources from a seperate source other than a sim. If this is possible, wouldn't it help sims run better and also prevent them from being taken down by maliciously scripted avatars?
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Briana Dawson
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11-11-2008 18:46
So how do you determine the script limit?
Sims with No Script enabled are for the most part "no visit" in my book and when i find myself there i leave as soon as possible.
What would be even worse is coming to a sim only finding partial functionality in the scripted items & utilities i wear and use because I have been script limited - that basically just breaks scripted objects and impairs their functionality rendering them for the most part useless.
The last thing i want to do is have to review my scripted objects worn and remove them leaving only my Huddles so i can pray it works and im not script limited at some event place i go to and want to dance.
No, i think people would outright avoid such sims that had such limits just so not to suffer the lack of total or partial functionality in their scripted necessities.
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Felix Oxide
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11-11-2008 18:55
From: Briana Dawson So how do you determine the script limit?
Sims with No Script enabled are for the most part "no visit" in my book and when i find myself there i leave as soon as possible.
What would be even worse is coming to a sim only finding partial functionality in the scripted items & utilities i wear and use because I have been script limited - that basically just breaks scripted objects and impairs their functionality rendering them for the most part useless.
The last thing i want to do is have to review my scripted objects worn and remove them leaving only my Huddles so i can pray it works and im not script limited at some event place i go to and want to dance.
No, i think people would outright avoid such sims that had such limits just so not to suffer the lack of total or partial functionality in their scripted necessities. Unfortunatly the alternative for heavily trafficed areas is to turn off scripts because we tend to have a high incidence of griefer attacks that use scripted attachments to overload the sim. This has been verified in crash logs for my sim by concierge. Reporting them only results in them coming back in an alt over and over. However I did think more about it and posted an idea in my second post in this thread that wouldn't impose limits for avatars. It would protect a sim from the effects of avatar scripts if their scripts operated from a seperate server rather than the sim they are in. If it can work like that. |
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Briana Dawson
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11-11-2008 18:55
oh
yea the 2nd idea is better. But that just sounds like more servers for LL to charge us for and more stuff to crash and create chaos.
Can you imagine "OH THE SCRIPT SERVER IS DOWN FFS"
That sort of setup would put so many systems to a grinding halt if the server crashed.
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Bernard Blachere
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11-11-2008 21:48
just wondering why someone would hang the av full of scripts...?
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Felix Oxide
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11-11-2008 22:13
From: Bernard Blachere just wondering why someone would hang the av full of scripts...? hang the av full of scripts? The point of this thread is that griefers like to crash sims on purpose by putting scripts on their avatars specifically designed to do so. I would like there to be some sort of limit on how far an avatars scripts can go before they crash a sim or completely remove the avatars scripts from using a sims resources and have them supported by a central server instead. |
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Briana Dawson
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11-12-2008 06:06
From: Felix Oxide
...completely remove the avatars scripts from using a sims resources and have them supported by a central server instead.
And then if the Script Server goes down, SL breaks in the most F'd up way i will have ever witnessed. This idea would make SL totally unstable, make scripting totally unreliable and and randomly break thousands of scripted objects that people use on their avatars. This sort of system does not help SL but hampers it. |
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Felix Oxide
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11-12-2008 06:34
Well it was an idea. Something needs to be done because Linden policing is completely ineffective.  |
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Briana Dawson
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11-12-2008 06:37
From: Felix Oxide Well it was an idea. Something needs to be done because Linden policing is completely ineffective. Ineffective at what? When was the last time the grid went down from script related issues? I think you are creating an issue where one need not exist. If you want to start limiting scripts at random on an avatar why not just make sim prim limits include avatar attachments as well and allow them to randomly decide which attachments it will not rez when avatars enter the region. Throttle everything down while you are at it. SL is about expansion and innovation, not constriction. |
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Felix Oxide
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11-12-2008 06:43
From: Briana Dawson Ineffective at what?
When was the last time the grid went down from script related issues?
I think you are creating an issue where one need not exist.
If you want to start limiting scripts at random on an avatar why not just make sim prim limits include avatar attachments as well and allow them to randomly decide which attachments it will not rez when avatars enter the region.
Throttle everything down while you are at it.
SL is about expansion and innovation, not constriction. My sim, as well as others get targetted by griefers. They wear scripts on their avatars designed to overload the sim until it crashes. "If" you can figure out who is doing it, you report them, they get banned, then come right back as an alt. Our only option is to disable scripts which then takes away the usability of our regions for the visitors. So what are we supposed to do? Just sit there and let them crash the sim everyday? It is completely ridiculous that sims can be brought down like that in the first place. Just because something isn't affecting you directly doesn't make it a non issue for others. |
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Briana Dawson
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11-12-2008 06:54
From: Felix Oxide My sim, as well as others get targetted by griefers. They wear scripts on their avatars designed to overload the sim until it crashes. "If" you can figure out who is doing it, you report them, they get banned, then come right back as an alt. Our only option is to disable scripts which then takes away the usability of our regions for the visitors. So what are we supposed to do? Just sit there and let them crash the sim everyday? It is completely ridiculous that sims can be brought down like that in the first place.
Just because something isn't affecting you directly doesn't make it a non issue for others. This has been happening since my very first day in SL. Now 61 months and 19 days later it can still happen. It is not ridiculous, it is the cost of our freedom in SL. Luckily for you that is a low cost. For example, in the U.S., freedom cost a $1.05. |
