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Adrienne Hegel
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11-12-2008 03:07
One Idea i been thinking of to improve the Linden Labs Second Life.. and that is adding some incentives to going from Basic to Premium, and those who are Premium, A better overall user experience.

Idea 1) Basic Account Inventory Limit of 5,000 items. (grandfathered to current basic to allow 5,000 more items than they have now)
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Idea 2) Hard coded server view distance locked at 60 for Basic. (limited bandwith to basic and better quality of service for premium)
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Idea 3) 5 Group limit, and No IM storage/routing. (For basic, Added limits for premium)
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Idea 4) Less words/options available to add in Profile bio, (For basic, Added limits for premium)
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Idea 5) Only available to browse/connect with special client, which displays Second Life placed In world ads/events. might help promote events (For basic, No limits for premium)
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Idea 6) Ban camping and introduce new traffic caculated system. ie, tracking unique people for maximum of 1 hour etc. (For basic, No limits for premium)
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Idea 7) Hard coded server view distance locked at 60 for Basic... same as 2.. :)
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Idea 8) Limit the Use of Basic Accounts to 1 hour per login. then relog in is required.
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Idea 9) Premium user Assett server clusters, to boost performance to those who pay. Quality of Service.
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Idea 10) Premium Account Only Services, Web hosting, Profile page like Gaia Online or something unique. like webmail, [email]username.lastname@secondlife.com[/email] etc. maybe co-hosted by Google.
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Idea 11) Better main webpage, where the Community side of Second Life is more visible... than the forums hidden away in tiny font/area
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Idea 12) Name changes allowed to Premium users who apply for 6 months of service or have been premium for over 6 months.

Idea 13) Add vetran awards to those who have been premium 6-12-24 months , maybe added section in profile they can put media url's, or notecards/inventory for others to grab like freebies. or even a "closet" thats public and non-public they can edit like a mini "room" that opens via profile with like 25 prims inside... :)

Idea 14) Basic accounts names are slightly faded in world... and there text slightly greyer. or ability to change your text color in premium
SuezanneC Baskerville
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11-12-2008 06:04
I think LL's concern is more with getting people to not quit SL in less than an hour and never come back.

To increase customer retention SL needs to be better for new users, not worse, like most of these suggestions would make it.
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Briana Dawson
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11-12-2008 06:10
From: Adrienne Hegel
One Idea i been thinking of to improve the Linden Labs Second Life.. and that is adding some incentives to going from Basic to Premium, and those who are Premium, A better overall user experience.

Idea 1) Basic Account Inventory Limit of 5,000 items. (grandfathered to current basic to allow 5,000 more items than they have now)
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Idea 2) Hard coded server view distance locked at 60 for Basic. (limited bandwith to basic and better quality of service for premium)
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Idea 3) 5 Group limit, and No IM storage/routing. (For basic, Added limits for premium)
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Idea 4) Less words/options available to add in Profile bio, (For basic, Added limits for premium)
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Idea 5) Only available to browse/connect with special client, which displays Second Life placed In world ads/events. might help promote events (For basic, No limits for premium)
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Idea 6) Ban camping and introduce new traffic caculated system. ie, tracking unique people for maximum of 1 hour etc. (For basic, No limits for premium)
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Idea 7) Hard coded server view distance locked at 60 for Basic... same as 2.. :)
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Idea 8) Limit the Use of Basic Accounts to 1 hour per login. then relog in is required.
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Idea 9) Premium user Assett server clusters, to boost performance to those who pay. Quality of Service.
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Idea 10) Premium Account Only Services, Web hosting, Profile page like Gaia Online or something unique. like webmail, [email]username.lastname@secondlife.com[/email] etc. maybe co-hosted by Google.
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Idea 11) Better main webpage, where the Community side of Second Life is more visible... than the forums hidden away in tiny font/area
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Idea 12) Name changes allowed to Premium users who apply for 6 months of service or have been premium for over 6 months.

Idea 13) Add vetran awards to those who have been premium 6-12-24 months , maybe added section in profile they can put media url's, or notecards/inventory for others to grab like freebies. or even a "closet" thats public and non-public they can edit like a mini "room" that opens via profile with like 25 prims inside... :)

Idea 14) Basic accounts names are slightly faded in world... and there text slightly greyer. or ability to change your text color in premium


UGH - ALL OF THESE SUGGESTIONS ARE DISGUSTING.

WTF are you an ALT for M. Linden? Can you punch the resident base in the stomach any harder?

Why do you hate SL?
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YeaaaHH!!
11-12-2008 08:31
Wtg Briana!!!
Michelle Thurston
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Hi, first time caller long time listener:
11-12-2008 08:33
This here's one of them Discordian things, aren't it....like...post-modernism?
Midnight Shirabyoshi
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11-12-2008 09:44
Sounds like someone's feeling a bit screwed by the fact that some of the basic accounts are actually able to run a business without ever having to pay of a premium account. Some of the suggestions you've listed are not only a bit rediculous but also a good way to have a large portion of the community rise up against you. Space limitations, hard coded draw distance limitations, and supposed "premium privilages" are certainly not the best way to impose a Quality of Service outlook on something like Second Life if the limitations would cause Linden Labs to lose a high percentage of it's user base. Once that's gone you can say goodbye to the general economy and start watching in owrld business fold under.

Take another look at your suggestions and then look at the user base and RECONSIDER the limitations you'd like to see imposed. After that ask yourself how many of your favorite places could vanish off the grid from them and get back to the community with something worthwhile.
Imnotgoing Sideways
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11-12-2008 09:49
How does throttling basic accounts make SL "better"? (O.o)

People are frustrated and bent on leaving enough as it is. Tell them they have to deal with policy imposed suckage until they get premium membership will not help. (>_<;)

Add to that... Estate owning basic accounts get and deserve concierge service... Would you want the same silly limitations imposed in them? (=_=)

I don't see any improvement coming from making what's pretty much the majority subset of the community miserable. (=_=)y
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Briana Dawson
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11-12-2008 09:51
From: Midnight Shirabyoshi
Sounds like someone's feeling a bit screwed by the fact that some of the basic accounts are actually able to run a business without ever having to pay of a premium account. Some of the suggestions you've listed are not only a bit rediculous but also a good way to have a large portion of the community rise up against you. Space limitations, hard coded draw distance limitations, and supposed "premium privilages" are certainly not the best way to impose a Quality of Service outlook on something like Second Life if the limitations would cause Linden Labs to lose a high percentage of it's user base. Once that's gone you can say goodbye to the general economy and start watching in owrld business fold under.

Take another look at your suggestions and then look at the user base and RECONSIDER the limitations you'd like to see imposed. After that ask yourself how many of your favorite places could vanish off the grid from them and get back to the community with something worthwhile.


I wish i could have said that.

But i was too stunned.

I am still stunned when i read that list.
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Alice Klinger
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How about Blogposts before required downloads?
11-12-2008 10:02
Hi,

today i am missing a bit frustrated because of the required download.
This thankfully does not happen alot,
but would it kill anyone to make a blogpost about a required download a day before it happens and give people time to download the required software through that full day to allow them to download it in peace and in time and attend their meetings instead of having to say: oh sorry had to download new software and servers were overloaded?
Also, if i would be in a company office now, possibly the firewall will act up because of the download and it will all take even alot longer.
Some business clients complained they could not use SL anymore from their company computers because something blocks it out. That was not the case with the version they started SL with.
I mean, i can imagine that early blogposts would also help to handle the server load during downloads alot which would cause the downloads to actually work instead of "40% downloaded, error, try again later"!
So please can we have this feature?
And sorry if i posted it in the wrong section!
Did not find anything better.
It is not really a bug but it would increase customer happiness and communication immensely.
Announcing an update and in the same blogpost announcing that it will be mandatory starting tomorrow 9 am or so? Maybe even earlier if you can estimate about the arrival time. But throwing it out that way, without warning, just once it is done, no blogpost, i think it can be handleded and communicated better. That one day between finishing the product and making it mandatory should be possible.
Most resident blogs , forums and inworld tools follow the blog so this can be used to avoid confusion and frustration.
Thank you!
Meade Paravane
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11-12-2008 10:04
From: Adrienne Hegel
One Idea i been thinking of to improve the Linden Labs Second Life.. and that is adding some incentives to going from Basic to Premium, and those who are Premium, A better overall user experience.

LL really doesn't make any money on premiums - most is given back in stipends. Just having people go premium but _not_ using more than their 'free' 512m2 isn't what LL wants. If they want to make more money on the mainland, they need to mess with the tier schedule, hopefully in a way that benefits residents and LL instead of just LL.

/me doesn't agree with your ideas but I thank you for trying to come up with ideas to make things better! :)
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11-12-2008 13:56
From: Adrienne Hegel
One Idea i been thinking of to improve the Linden Labs Second Life.. and that is adding some incentives to going from Basic to Premium, and those who are Premium, A better overall user experience.

Idea 1) Basic Account Inventory Limit of 5,000 items. (grandfathered to current basic to allow 5,000 more items than they have now)
====
Idea 2) Hard coded server view distance locked at 60 for Basic. (limited bandwith to basic and better quality of service for premium)
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Idea 3) 5 Group limit, and No IM storage/routing. (For basic, Added limits for premium)
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Idea 4) Less words/options available to add in Profile bio, (For basic, Added limits for premium)
===
Idea 5) Only available to browse/connect with special client, which displays Second Life placed In world ads/events. might help promote events (For basic, No limits for premium)
===
Idea 6) Ban camping and introduce new traffic caculated system. ie, tracking unique people for maximum of 1 hour etc. (For basic, No limits for premium)
===
Idea 7) Hard coded server view distance locked at 60 for Basic... same as 2.. :)
===
Idea 8) Limit the Use of Basic Accounts to 1 hour per login. then relog in is required.
===
Idea 9) Premium user Assett server clusters, to boost performance to those who pay. Quality of Service.
===
Idea 10) Premium Account Only Services, Web hosting, Profile page like Gaia Online or something unique. like webmail, [email]username.lastname@secondlife.com[/email] etc. maybe co-hosted by Google.
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Idea 11) Better main webpage, where the Community side of Second Life is more visible... than the forums hidden away in tiny font/area
===
Idea 12) Name changes allowed to Premium users who apply for 6 months of service or have been premium for over 6 months.

Idea 13) Add vetran awards to those who have been premium 6-12-24 months , maybe added section in profile they can put media url's, or notecards/inventory for others to grab like freebies. or even a "closet" thats public and non-public they can edit like a mini "room" that opens via profile with like 25 prims inside... :)

Idea 14) Basic accounts names are slightly faded in world... and there text slightly greyer. or ability to change your text color in premium


I won't insult you, but as a Premium turned Basic all I can say is those deas would not move me anywhere except to look for my entertainment elsewhere, and I imagine a lot of others would follow. Most of them are of lttle or no interest to me. Some of them may be worthwhile as ADDED services that people may want to pay a little extra for on an individual basis, but I think all they would do is totally destroy SL's current user base if unilaterally imposed. But then again, since it does seem that SL's current users are not what LL wants, anything is possible.
SuezanneC Baskerville
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11-12-2008 14:01
From: Michelle Thurston
This here's one of them Discordian things, aren't it....like...post-modernism?
The thought that this was performance art did cross my mind.
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11-12-2008 14:33
I think a better idea would be to implement some of the long-standing JIRAs and give premium users first crack at the new features. THat would kill two birds with one stone:

* Provide an incentive for residents to sign up as premium.

* Provide an incentive for Linden Labs to implement some of these damn fixes. :)
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Adrienne Hegel
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11-25-2008 20:54
Well, thanks for all the replies, even if you think these ideas where terrible, was funny some of them, No I'm not M lindens alt haha, nor was this performance art..

All in all, these suggestions where from experience with networks and their infrastructure, the cost of running this mainframe/grid and maintaining it, its backups and stuff and its bandwidth used must be staggering, most likely 70% of the overhead other than employee's.. leaves little to R&D and extra staff to make the client and features better.

Having run a few servers myself on co-location, running streaming, game servers etc, I know how much bandwidth can cost and if its not used wisely, sure we where talking 1000gb quota's on 100mbit lines. but that can quickly go out the window if servers are being over utilized...

With sculpt maps added, Voice added, and No limit to view distance... a client can load over 500mb per teleport of textures and things they don't ever see... with max view distance, with todays cheap video cards and multi core cpu's and ultra fast residential lines..

I could set my cache to 100mb, view distance to 196 m, and sit at a store, for 1 hour and use about 5gb of bandwidth of my client re-downloading everything over and over... this must cost a fortune to Linden Lab, that was why i suggested a hard coded view distance limit to Basic Accounts... or to fix the viewer code so cache/view distance is somehow linked.. to conserve bandwidth.

Other than that, I was thinking of idea's, and features to add to Premium, to make people want to be premium, other than owning land on mainland. if thats the only perk, and the L$ Per week they print for you, or even being able to get to see JIRA stuff first... then not many will go premium, then the only revenue to LL is selling mainland and overpriced sims.

If they lowered costs/maintenance for land/sims, and made it worthwhile to go premium, the Grid might be a better place. of course most are not liking the idea of having limited features as a basic Citizen.. but it might be for the best, since if SL was to be linked to other grids (Torly did a video where they teleported to an Open Source Grid) if they where to open Second Life to other grids where Sims can be purchased/rented for a mere fraction than here with 40,000 prims... then its hard to compete if your only revenue is from selling/renting virtual land .
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11-25-2008 20:55
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
How does throttling basic accounts make SL "better"?
It was a typo. She meant "bitter".
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