Voting Station Suggestion --

In themed communities, or area's that are being developed by groups, there are a TON of voters. everywhere you go, you'll be sure to see one. (not that voters are a bad thing, but its like SL polution almost, sure its a great thing at first but then its everywhere! lol) Anyone remember lindenburg? nuff said lol

So my suggestion is-- keep normal voters for private property but make Group Voting Stations. This would help with some things.
1) Themed communities would be able to use objects for the community instead of a bunch of prims used for the voters, a great thing because of object limits.
2) There wouldnt be 5-10 voters in the same area.
3) Anything that reduces lag is worth taking a look at lol

The money that is gained from the group voters could be split evenly with all members of that group. and maybe make the group voters a bit different so people can tell the differance 'tween normal voters and group voters


Please reply give support if u think this is a good idea

Lynn

oh yeah forgot one thing --

If you really like everything you see in one themed community/group project, instead of having to fly all over and click everyones voter, you just click once,

lynn

Only problem is then the groups would only get the money for 1 station.

Say 10 people wanted to vote for a group cuz they love the place, if there are 5 stations thats 50 votes, if only one thats 10....

so less money...

JV

yes true... i thought about that previously but forgot..

if the group stations got a different sum of money aside from the normal pay out, it would prolly work. If that wouldnt work, im sure the lindens could think up some way to make the pay out fair for the group members.

Not only as Jonathan mentioned, but some members just deserve more votes than others, due to their community contributions, builds, and participation.


I don't like the group booth idea much at all. It would depend on the group tho...


fen-

Perhaps when the get the self governing tools, something could be worked out. There could be one group vote booth which works on a different pay scale than individual vote booths. Then the group could divide it amongst themselves. So you could have income brackets baised on contributions. That probalby would require a voting system by the group and I don't know if I would feel confortible in such a system, but still its something to think about.

I thought they were eventually gonna get rid of the votebooths for a time on land system. If this does happen then for the same reasons in this thread we'll find ourselves asking for group land ownership. But then we got that same problem of how to dole out the cash. and it might not be fair if someone didn't buy the land but built the attraction on top of it....hmmm...just a ramble.

Another idea is less primes in the voter itself.

Sometimes (especially if not enough votes for $ reward), the voter costs more per week then it generates.

I would like a 2 prim voter that resembles a plaque that could be 'hung' on a wall. It could be the same size as one side of the current large voters green part, give or take.

Fen you have a point -- not all groups would have to have the group voters. But it could organize groups a bit bettter? Like maybe people who contribute more are officers and recive more money out of the voting booths, where as members who've gave a some contributions would get less...

that also bring up the idea for more positions of status in groups.. ehehe

(btw: i didnt suggest with so i could wiggle more moeny out of voters, just thinking of lag/easy solutions that could help sl a bit ;P)

When it comes to the fairness of group vote, keep in mind that there is an inherent unfairness to the entire vote system. When I come up to a place that is truly extraordinary I click on the box and give the individual a vote. I come up to the place that is merely nice, I still click on the box and give the individual the exact same vote. That is an equal opinion expressed for two radically different places. So in the end, I say if it truly can be shown that performance is enhanced by limiting vote machines, I'm for it. But I would like to know if we could calculate what kind of lag or performance enhancement we are talking about before justifying such a change.

If we are to go group anything, we then are going down the group self governing path, which I do like. We would need tools for this tho...

And a less primed booth is a good idea.


fen-

The tools are coming supposedly... eventually, sometime

i can't wait.

Yep. I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but I'll just bring it up again: voting often doesn't reflect how much you like the place as how good a friend you are of the person. People vote for the same places day after day, and I doubt they are amazed every time; they're doing it because they're friends of the owner.

This could be almost eliminated by only accepting a person's vote once during the lifetime of the booth, rather than once a day. Or it could be reduced by extending the period to, say, a week or a month.

The groups need all the votes they can get. When building something for a theme, I for one, use more primes that I would normally, to get a great look. This benifits SL too as it attracts newbies to stay and learn.

It takes L$ to keep that going and not to have to pack it away for the sake of taxes.

If you do away with the present Voting Stations it will kill off groups as more ppl will just keep what they themselves use. It will be the only way to play SL.

Why go the way of TSO?

Those of us in themed communities, like Americana, would suffer greatly from this change. We joined themed communities in order to add a feel of continuity and togetherness within SL, which most people are agreed upon, the game is seriously lacking. In order to obtain sims that we had the option to buy before anyone else we had to scrounge every penny and still are working to do that in order to purchase the rest, which is being held for us. In order to buy, the Lindens broke down the sims into 16 equal parts, each member has to buy 1/16th.
The taxes on this are tremendous. I have owned 1/16th of the sim for 3 weeks and HAVE NOT recieved a stipend in 3 WEEKS!!!!! The land bonus is roughly equaling the amount of taxes.
Therefore the voting stations are the ONLY source of income I have. Every so often, someone may buy something from my shop, but it is rare.
Every day, I receive around $200 in voting station bonus. That enables me to build for the day, until I am broke again, the next day. I build everyday, if it's a little or a lot, I only have voting stations in front of places that I put up, and am totally deserved of my reward.
This system is working for those of us in these themed communities, and the other system (land time spent) would not work and it wouldnt be fair, for reasons previously stated.
We could always stop building the themed communities and leave SL one big melting pot of randomness, but then Linden Lab wouldn't have much to say about themed communities to press releases and whatnot.
We NEED voting booth money in order to survive.
Please don't do this if you want us to progress.
CrowCatcher

I agree with CrowCatcher. In Darkwood, we're all struggling with taxes just like everywhere else on the game. The voting booths really do help a great deal. The money I lose in taxes I make up in votes. It enables me to make money without forever losing money week after week. I do notice the amounts of my votes go down if I haven't changed it in awhile, and it varies day to day. So my builds aren't just getting clicked by my fellow theme members, though I know that's part of it. We get a lot of traffic from new people as well.
I agree that the vote station system isn't perfect, and it would be handy if we could rate a build on a sliding scale. Here's a thought. What if you could negatively vote a build? Say it's ugly, it's a big box with flashy pictures. What if you could -1 vote it? What do people think of that? Have it like player-votes. -1, 0, +1, +2? You wouldn't lose money on it, but the number of positive clicks could be negated by the number of negatives, and you'd know if what you were doing was unpopular, neutral, popular or if people thought it was excellent.

Voting booths are a double-edged sword. They work the way they're supposed to in some ways, and they don't in others. As it stands now, it's the only thing that's keeping a lot of the themed communities afloat. Something better /needs/ to be implemented before they're removed completely.

Time land owned? I don't see how that would work. So what if you've held the land for a dog's age? That really doesn't say anything for the quality of what's /on/ the land. And would that get re-set if you say, sold off parcels of your land like I did today in the themed community? To get the right shape I had to release and then re-claim. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on how this would work.