Land Sale Screen Changes

Let me pretext this first - Yes I do buy/sell land. Yes its mainland. Yes some people dont like me. Yes some people do like me. No, I could care less that private estate land shows up in the list. Yes I am happy finally private estate owners can now sell land in-world.

OK

The list combines the two types of land - mainland and island. Why? Its 2 very different types of land, thats a fact.

Fact #2, other types of very different land has a drop down menu to select it - PG and MATURE. You can search just PG, just MATURE, or BOTH. This is in there to seperate the list. If I'm searching for mature land, I can remove PG from my client-side list. Great for customers A+

Why isnt this done for mainland/estate land? Its also different types of land. It should ALSO have a drop down list to select just mainland, just estates, or BOTH. Thats the definition of common sense.

http://secondlife.com/vote/vote.php?get_id=1852

Please toss some votes if you can... its already up to around 200.

Now before the name calling and bashing starts.

What I am NOT saying is that estate land should be REMOVED. I dont want it removed, I want it there. I'm not special, nor is any other land baron with mainland land. Its GREAT that private sim owners can list land in-world now.... I love it. It doesnt concern me or my business in any way. What it DOES cause however is a ugly land listing, with tons of L$1 land to confuse less knowledgable people in how land works. I've seen MANY covenant agreements that specify that the price paid is a down-payment and non-refunable. If someone doesnt read, they can lose out.

Theirs many people that would say I'm against estate land, but I'm telling you I'm not. Believe who you will, or talk to me in-world I dont care. The pure and simple FACT is 2 different types of land should be able to be selectable like PG/Mature is. YOU KNOW THAT.

What no one gets is.. right now its small scale with a select few island owers playing with the land sales. Once more get into playing with it, testing their strategy, etc... the list WILL be flooded with 1000's of land giveaways at L$1. The mainland will be 50 search pages away, and much too difficult to find. Its small scale right now, and needs to be nipped in the bud before it gets out of hand and creates more of a strain on the land economy than currently is

So true...vote vote vote - unless you want to spend your time in the future studying what an individual seller considers to be a sale. I want clearness and truth in business, and lenghty covenants with pages of smallprint to not contribute to this.
Even more - if this type of island trade is considered as a sale , the same rules as for any other land should apply - you own it, you can treat it as yours, not : you own it according to my ideas. It clearly needs a seperator to make it easier for people that do not want to spend hours in understanding fineprinmt and hidden hooks.

Having no seperation of the 2 types is going to cause misbuying of many newbies, and residents who do not understanding that they are basically "renting" and often times can never resell this land and may have it revoked at any time. For an exaple a resident is looking through the land for sale, sees an amazing waterfront for 20k or whatever, buys it excited about the amazing looking land, then realizes he has bought private land that has rental fees set by the island owner. After he realizes he has made an error, he cant do a thing and loses his investment because the covonent states that you may never resell this land and if you do not pay all rental fees associated with the land or follow all owner set rules you will have your land revoked. Having a simple drop down seperation would make it completely clear what are you are looking at and buying and stop alot of misbuying by sl residents. It just needs to be clear to the sl buyer what exactly they are looking at in the listings.

I dont wanna start a "my mainland is better that your island" debate. Its true mistakes will happen, but people interested in island land know they are basically renting - thats what they want to do. Mainland people know they are buying, and have possession of the land, can use it for whatever or even as an investment.

even aside from mistakes or anything like that... at the root without saying one type of land is better.... or exposing possible flaws with either land.... the pure and simple fact is its 2 different types of land... and deserves seperation as PG/Mature already has

they have the same value, land is land it shouldn't be sorted by mainland or island considering itsnot sorted by snow/grassy/atol land type

i can easily see that for certain buziness type it can be confusing, but they have to adapt to the system changes as the system won't adapt to them

then why is PG/Mature selectable? Why is For Sale/Auction/Firstland selectable?

and no your incorrect... the land does not have the same value. a 4096 mainland is not worth L$1 which I see Estate land being listed at. Thats just a simple fact.

Torley has psoted a response in second life answers that this will be sent to the developers to add to the system yay

It's not the land that's different, it's the contract terms.

If you "buy" land on the mainland your rent comes out of your tier.

If you "buy" land on an island, your rent is paid directly to the sim owner.

The rent on islands and on the mainland can be significantly different, for smaller parcels (4096 and smaller) the rent is often considerably less than tier, and if the rent is comparable to tier the sale price may be significantly lower... even zero (as in the dAlliez islands).

There are different restrictions on what you can do with the land. Islands often have significantly more leeway for terraforming, and I've found Island owners are willing to do all kinds of things... like adjust terrain textures... that the Lindens won't. On the other hand the Lindens won't move the sim you're on to another estate or return everything in your parcel because they got a better deal from someone else (no, I'm not upset about either of these things... there were good reasons why they had to do it in each case... but things like that *can* happen), and you can't split your parcel up to have different access controls or media in different areas.

So it really does matter.

that's because you do not trust the estate owner

it has nothing to do with trust at all... estate owners LIST them at L$1

and it mess your sale list scanning i assume?

as I said it doesnt bother me, or affect my business at all. Thats not the point... the point that you people dont understand is for the customer. Its very clearly different types of land, and different types should be seperated like the other different types of land already are

it also affects people that dont understand the land market. Example - some n00b buys firstland, then searches the land sales list to see what a good market price is. The n00b sees $2/sqm in the list, and lists firstland for $1024. Well mainland is worth more than that, so I go buy it. The n00b says "wow that was quick" and sees me relist the 512 for $3000. Now the n00b thinks it was a ripoff, and asks for the land back, and calls me a swooper.

Example 2 : An educated n00b goes to buy firstland, but uses land search first, and sees the low $/sqm listings. All a sudden, firstland isnt worth the $512 the n00b has to pay, and LL starts selling less and less firstland.

Kyrah, with your blinders on, and your biased view you cannot see the picture as a whole. Step down from your soapbox, and realize its a bad idea all around and something needs to be done about it

I also replied to /139/0b/132721/1.html#post1254392 with much enthusiasm... hope to see a comment there soon.

Thanks Torley!

Voted for this feature =) thanks Dragon!

i don't think peoples like you are well placed to give me any advice on how to see the thing, but thank you for your input ^_^