Second Life Forums Archive - Full-functionality from Mouselook

Azelda Garcia

Join date: 3 Nov 2003

Posts: 819

01-07-2004 13:10

I'm someone who likes to be able to use Mouselook permanently. It provides the fullest immersion experience possible.

As an example of my depth of feeling on this, I didn't play DAOC precisely because it has almost no support for permanent Mouselook, ditto for AC.

I'd like to be able to do everything I can do from non-mouselook when I am in mouselook:
- access menus
- access inventory
- chat
- script

As a good model for a system that works really nicely, the eq mouselook system is not bad.

Azelda

Kex Godel

Master Slacker

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 869

01-07-2004 13:23

I just want to be able to read the name/description/owner/status tooltip for whatever object I'm pointing at, while in mouselook mode...

Perhaps when I hold down the alt or shift key for a second, it could pop up the tooltip?

Driftwood Nomad

Registered User

Join date: 10 May 2003

Posts: 451

01-07-2004 14:54

Yes, please! Full functionality in moselook would be GREAT! I have asked for this before, but still no go.

I'm getting tired of looking at the back of my head

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Oz Spade

ReadsNoPostLongerThanHand

Join date: 23 Sep 2003

Posts: 2,708

01-07-2004 16:17

I would like this.

Maybe have it so if you hold down Alt or something it shows your GUI and you stay in mouse look but your mouse arrow apears and your view stops moving and then you can use your mouse for the GUI while staying in that view.

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eltee Statosky

Luskie

Join date: 23 Sep 2003

Posts: 1,258

01-08-2004 13:20

jus to get an idea goin for HOW that would work (given IN mouselook yer mouse is well... looking) we'd need to have it set with some form of 'i want a pointer now' toggle (like the ~ key or somethin which would let you use the interface like in third person view. then hit ~ again and the cursor would dissapear and return to the current looking mode

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Cienna Rand

Inside Joke

Join date: 20 Sep 2003

Posts: 489

01-08-2004 13:29

You can hit Alt, or Ctrl, I forget which.. and get your pointer back. This lets you interact with objects or GUI windows you've brought up via the kb shortcuts. I think all you miss out on is the menu bar and the toolbar? Though the toolbar isn't much of a loss.

Corwin Weber

Registered User

Join date: 2 Oct 2003

Posts: 390

01-08-2004 13:45

From: someone

Originally posted by Cienna Rand
You can hit Alt, or Ctrl, I forget which.. and get your pointer back. This lets you interact with objects or GUI windows you've brought up via the kb shortcuts. I think all you miss out on is the menu bar and the toolbar? Though the toolbar isn't much of a loss.

Does it let you edit and IM too?

Cienna Rand

Inside Joke

Join date: 20 Sep 2003

Posts: 489

01-08-2004 14:14

I dunno, I never use mouselook unless I have to, hate it. First person view is for first person shooters.

I do know it gets you back a cursor you can use to interact with GUI elements and in-world objects. So that's a yes for IMing, you just have to hit Ctrl-T to bring up the window. As for editing.. Not sure why you'd want to edit objects in mouselook though, given you can put the camera anywhere with alt-zoom in 3rd person, as opposed to sticking it to your face in first.

Garoad Kuroda

Prophet of Muppetry

Join date: 5 Sep 2003

Posts: 2,989

01-08-2004 15:40

Yeah, not that some people wouldn't have a use for it, but you'd REALLY be crippling your building ability doing this. I think alt-click acts like a "touch", not sure what key (if any) literally gets your cursor back...never cared to find out really.

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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!

Driftwood Nomad

Registered User

Join date: 10 May 2003

Posts: 451

01-08-2004 15:51

I'd be happy simply having the ability to make your own AV invisible...kind of a pseudo mouselook mode. Sometimes my AV just gets in the way.

This wouldn't replace mouselook mode, since you would still need to go into mouselook for certain things to work, like guns, etc. But it would approximate the 1st person perspective since the default perspective seems to be just behind the AV.

Ultimately, I still think full abilities should be possible in true mouselook somehow.

Thoughts?

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Garoad Kuroda

Prophet of Muppetry

Join date: 5 Sep 2003

Posts: 2,989

01-09-2004 07:21

I have absolutely no idea if this is possible or not, but look in the debug menu and see if you can do that. I wouldn't doubt it...

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BTW

WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!

Little Tigereye

Member

Join date: 17 Dec 2003

Posts: 39

01-09-2004 07:30

Slightly OT. Can you lock the camera in place. So that if you position it somewhere else using Alt it stays there, even if you start walking?

Little

Azelda Garcia

Join date: 3 Nov 2003

Posts: 819

01-09-2004 08:21

Maybe, maybe with an attachment that is a vehicle. Possibly this is a solution to the problem, and doesnt require any SL modification. Worth a try.

Azelda

Full-functionality from Mouselook
Azelda Garcia Azelda Garcia Join date: 3 Nov 2003 Posts: 819	01-07-2004 13:10 I'm someone who likes to be able to use Mouselook permanently. It provides the fullest immersion experience possible. As an example of my depth of feeling on this, I didn't play DAOC precisely because it has almost no support for permanent Mouselook, ditto for AC. I'd like to be able to do everything I can do from non-mouselook when I am in mouselook: - access menus - access inventory - chat - script As a good model for a system that works really nicely, the eq mouselook system is not bad. Azelda
Kex Godel Master Slacker Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 869	01-07-2004 13:23 I just want to be able to read the name/description/owner/status tooltip for whatever object I'm pointing at, while in mouselook mode... Perhaps when I hold down the alt or shift key for a second, it could pop up the tooltip?
Driftwood Nomad Registered User Join date: 10 May 2003 Posts: 451	01-07-2004 14:54 Yes, please! Full functionality in moselook would be GREAT! I have asked for this before, but still no go. I'm getting tired of looking at the back of my head _____________________ Driftwood Nomad D&D Dogs Co-founder "Second Life’s first AI companion animal" The Second Opinion, 08/05/2003 D&D Dogs HQ Pawaii (127, 63) Mainland Store Kuula (214, 124) http://www.sldogs.com SL Dogs Zazzle store!
Oz Spade ReadsNoPostLongerThanHand Join date: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 2,708	01-07-2004 16:17 I would like this. Maybe have it so if you hold down Alt or something it shows your GUI and you stay in mouse look but your mouse arrow apears and your view stops moving and then you can use your mouse for the GUI while staying in that view. _____________________ "Don't anticipate outcome," the man said. "Await the unfolding of events. Remain in the moment." - Konrad
eltee Statosky Luskie Join date: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 1,258	01-08-2004 13:20 jus to get an idea goin for HOW that would work (given IN mouselook yer mouse is well... looking) we'd need to have it set with some form of 'i want a pointer now' toggle (like the ~ key or somethin which would let you use the interface like in third person view. then hit ~ again and the cursor would dissapear and return to the current looking mode _____________________ wash, rinse, repeat
Cienna Rand Inside Joke Join date: 20 Sep 2003 Posts: 489	01-08-2004 13:29 You can hit Alt, or Ctrl, I forget which.. and get your pointer back. This lets you interact with objects or GUI windows you've brought up via the kb shortcuts. I think all you miss out on is the menu bar and the toolbar? Though the toolbar isn't much of a loss.
Corwin Weber Registered User Join date: 2 Oct 2003 Posts: 390	01-08-2004 13:45 From: someone Originally posted by Cienna Rand You can hit Alt, or Ctrl, I forget which.. and get your pointer back. This lets you interact with objects or GUI windows you've brought up via the kb shortcuts. I think all you miss out on is the menu bar and the toolbar? Though the toolbar isn't much of a loss. Does it let you edit and IM too?
Cienna Rand Inside Joke Join date: 20 Sep 2003 Posts: 489	01-08-2004 14:14 I dunno, I never use mouselook unless I have to, hate it. First person view is for first person shooters. I do know it gets you back a cursor you can use to interact with GUI elements and in-world objects. So that's a yes for IMing, you just have to hit Ctrl-T to bring up the window. As for editing.. Not sure why you'd want to edit objects in mouselook though, given you can put the camera anywhere with alt-zoom in 3rd person, as opposed to sticking it to your face in first.
Garoad Kuroda Prophet of Muppetry Join date: 5 Sep 2003 Posts: 2,989	01-08-2004 15:40 Yeah, not that some people wouldn't have a use for it, but you'd REALLY be crippling your building ability doing this. I think alt-click acts like a "touch", not sure what key (if any) literally gets your cursor back...never cared to find out really. _____________________ BTW WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
Driftwood Nomad Registered User Join date: 10 May 2003 Posts: 451	01-08-2004 15:51 I'd be happy simply having the ability to make your own AV invisible...kind of a pseudo mouselook mode. Sometimes my AV just gets in the way. This wouldn't replace mouselook mode, since you would still need to go into mouselook for certain things to work, like guns, etc. But it would approximate the 1st person perspective since the default perspective seems to be just behind the AV. Ultimately, I still think full abilities should be possible in true mouselook somehow. Thoughts? _____________________ Driftwood Nomad D&D Dogs Co-founder "Second Life’s first AI companion animal" The Second Opinion, 08/05/2003 D&D Dogs HQ Pawaii (127, 63) Mainland Store Kuula (214, 124) http://www.sldogs.com SL Dogs Zazzle store!
Garoad Kuroda Prophet of Muppetry Join date: 5 Sep 2003 Posts: 2,989	01-09-2004 07:21 I have absolutely no idea if this is possible or not, but look in the debug menu and see if you can do that. I wouldn't doubt it... _____________________ BTW WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
Little Tigereye Member Join date: 17 Dec 2003 Posts: 39	01-09-2004 07:30 Slightly OT. Can you lock the camera in place. So that if you position it somewhere else using Alt it stays there, even if you start walking? Little
Azelda Garcia Azelda Garcia Join date: 3 Nov 2003 Posts: 819	01-09-2004 08:21 Maybe, maybe with an attachment that is a vehicle. Possibly this is a solution to the problem, and doesnt require any SL modification. Worth a try. Azelda

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