Multiple Attachment points

I would like to think that it'd make things much easier for everyone if we could attach more than one object to a single attachment point.

It's rather frustrating when you have two pieces of attire that would look great together and you can't properly wear them both because they use the same attachment point.

The Emerald viewer does allow that. Many of the attachment points are double, so you can attach 2 objects to them. But I believe the second attachments are only visible to others if they are also using the Emerald viewer.

No, they're visible to everyone, but they all show up in some weird place for people not using Emerald.

There's more info in the JIRA or one of the linked JIRAs.

I don't understand why the development of third party viewers can't be streamlined into the development of a single viewer that everyone will use along with a roadmap that everyone can follow. The policy worked for Mozilla.

The preponderance of different SL viewers reminds me of the bad old days of the turn of the millennium when only the most basic web page would have a consistent look across different browsers.

That's what the Snowglobe project was supposed to be for.

What's your opinion of the Snowglobe project?

Snow Job project.

Ephraim Kappler roars laughing

Snowglobe is Firefox to Viewer 2.0's Mozilla, and Emerald is like Camino or KMelion or one of the other spinoff variants of Firefox.

Or Emerald is Chrome to Linden Lab's Safari.

All these projects have their little forks and spinoffs. It's no big deal.

oh jeeze Argent, i think that made it so much easier to understand...

Hey, if you want confusing: try and make sense of all the Linux distributions some time.

Is that just in principle or is the project getting anywhere near what Firefox is to Mozilla? I installed it once. It seemed a little better in terms of performance and I recall one or two good features like being able to preview textures at different sizes but otherwise ı tend to avoid it. They warn that it can be less stable than the standard viewer, which is a pretty freaky notion.

When Firebird was as new as Snowglobe is... it was anything but stable.

It wasn't called Firefox either.

I'm for multiple attachments at a point as long as it preserves the ability to wear something and have it replace what was at that attachment point. The Emerald model meets that criteria, if I understand it correctly. (I can't currently run Emerald due to a quirk on my computer.)

I posted the following on the emerald creation team site and would like to share it here as it appears on point with this thread. I hope someone finds the comment useful.
I recently downloaded the Emerald Viewer to learn how to use it in order to answer questions from the girls who work at our SL business. I've used it for only a few days and it is a good viewer.
It has one critical drawback in that residents using the regular LL viewer do not see you as you see yourself or as other Emerald viewers do. Residents work very hard at making their avatar look incredible only to have it spoiled by errant bits jewellry or equipment being in an unintended spot, like sticking out of your face or leg or most unfortunately the "****" that followed me around from the time I added it to the second attachment point or the bracelets that insisted on sticking out of my leg. I could see none of these things myself While in the Emerald Viewer.
Less importantly, it has a tendancy to drop bits of pieces here and there. Residents using the regular viewer find backpacks, chains, again jewelry lying about actually hanging in the air throughout the sim. When clicked on for identity the pieces belong to that avatar 50 or more metres away. Thank goodness the pieces leave when the avatar does.
Emerald has become very popular very quickly, but, let's face it there are still more people in the regular or other viewers. This one is not ready for primetime until items on the second attachment points are hidden from the regular viewer or Emerald takes over the world.
I suppose if you don't care that your "put together" look for the big party can only be appreciated by the less than 25% (informal survey ...in other words, just looking around) of the people you see there using Emerald or that the remainder are seeing you with a ring or bracelet sticking out of your forehead, stomach, leg or arm, then this is the viewer for you.
I've returned to the regular viewer but will keep Emerald around because i need to see how it reacts with other things. Like the myriad of restraint and control devices not currently able to handle double attachment points. A review of a few of them showed that they could not recognize any of the second attachment points.

Just pulling your paw.

Anyway, I only mentioned Mozilla as an example of how the development of good software can be coordinated amongst a large group of programmers working on an mostly voluntary basis.

I was actually wondering what you think of Snowglobe, whether or not you think there is any hope for it, that is. I've been reading a lot of discussion about fancy viewers with bouncin' bazoombas and DIY rip-off features but I don't see much reference to Snowglobe, which leads me to believe that Brianna's comment is not far off the mark.

My own opinion is that the Lindens should knock third party viewers on the head altogether and encourage input to Snowglobe if they seriously want to develop the project. Otherwise I can't see the point of such a diverse range of viewers: it flies in the face of sharing a single virtual world, which I would have thought is the basic principle behind the Grid.

Trix's post above is a good illustration of what I mean.

I think that they have a good chance of Snowglobe picking up as THE open source SL viewer, but if they do it by hitting the other viewers on the head they'll lose it completely and might as well shut down Snowglobe as well. They would completely blow away the good will they've created with the open source viewers.

Firethingy became the main Mozilla browser NOT because Mozilla stepped on the other browsers, but because it was steadily and consistently better than the others. If they pick up the pace on Snowglobe and release something good, it can become the main SL browser.

The biggest thing standing in the way of Snowglobe isn't Emerald, it's Viewer 2.0. That's where the uncertainty is, this message they have that Snowglobe is just going to be an eternal beta and 2.0 is going to be the real thing.

Bugger. That's the impression I was getting.

I don't have any more grounds for such an impression than you do, now. I'm not an insider or anything.

I didn't suppose that you are any kind of insider on these issues but you obviously have a knack for ferreting around under the hood, so to speak. I was just asking your opinion on that basis.