Land Editing Limits should go both ways!

Can we pretty please make it so you have a 45 degree angle limit on lowering land as well as raising/flattening it? People can come in, lower land as much as they want, then release it and the landscape is destroyed, because you can never raise it back as much as it was lowered

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo!

And I only say that as a person who voted FOR the last change limiting terraforming. It made some things a lot worse. We just need to peer pressure people to fix what they did when they decide to move on from a site.

The problem is MJ, with no limits on lowering, and limits on raising, you can't fix some things which get done, it's actually impossible. It inherently creates greater than 45 degree angles to repair some instances, which means they can never be repaired without Linden intervention. See: Taber, as Nova Linden kindly assisted in repairing some of the damage, and did a wonderful job of it.

Terraforming is an art and takes resources. Much can indeed be fixed. I've spend some time online correcting what I can as a community service. To date I have been able to repair whatever I set out to, only with the exception of older mountians at an angle of greater that 45 degrees.

To further limit terraforming would be a big mistake. Limiting it with such a broad brush was a mistake the first time. We should have pushed for restrictions based on finances rather than degrees.

What if it's allowed but you get taxed for it? So you'll only do it if neccary, that is. I know there are already enough taxes, but there are also already enough sims uglier than Joan River's... well you get the idea.

enough with taxes. I'm talking a flat fee for terraforming above or below a certian height/depth. The fee could even be more the higher or lower you go. This of course would ideally accompany the lifting of the 45 degree limit up.

Well then the super rich can build mountains and ruin it for us all.

I don't think an angle restriction on lowering would be a good thing. No one would be able to easily build a basement for their house, or a wine cellar, dungeon, etc. I never really liked the 45 degree limit on raising land either.

DO NOT limit lowering on land, PLEASE. Working with the land tools as it is is enough work ALREADY, we dont need more limits on them.

As Aurican said, it would take alotta fun outta SL by not allowing large basements, dungeons, or secret meeting rooms .

We dont want builds to turn even more The Sims-like; being able to only have 2 floors, and not baing able to have a basement.

Im COMPLETELY against more building tool limitations.

-Chris

You can usually get a Linden to come help put stuff back...

No more limits, please! Individuals, please take responsibility for your own terraforming. Here's what I do for dropping basements:

Buy a chunk of land in the CENTER of where you're building, with a buffer of at least one plot of land all around.
1. Drop it to your heart's content.
2. Flatten the floor.
3. Now sell it all back.
4. Re-select the land, including the ring along the outside.
5. Buy the land.

This ensures two things:
1. You haven't screwed up the slopes in the land for your neighbors to any appreciable degree.
2. Nobody can raise or lower the surrounding land to screw with your basement.

One question:
1. Does this technique work with raised land too?

Yeah, the problem is, even the Lindens can't repair it quite right, especially if there are any builds surrounding the land. When you cut land downward, it creates a very sharp drop at the edge of another build, where you can't raise it back up properly.

When a Linden comes in to repair, their repair overruns both sides of the border, fixes the "gorge" but they can only do it to x extent without affecting the other land too, so even they can't get it quite right.

It's truly a PITA.

If anyone sees a big hole and needs help fixing it, drop me an IM, I do it all the time, and enjoy it.

maybe we need a thread?? Theres several people out there who like to do this. How about a terraforming plea thread so we know where trouble spots are.

a very simple soultion would be to raise and lower land much the same way you can stretch objects to make them big in a hurry. This way you might see alot of ugly landscaping but at least you know you could easily fix it very fast, if you needed to or wanted to. I personally don't mind if someone lowers the land somewhere, it may take me a while to fix it but as long as it takes for them to lower it, they won't do it again. See that, to me is where people are worried too much.

Worried about scenery in a 3-d program no less, everyone pays to play this game now, therefore everyone should be given the same rights as everyone else. If you don't like certain landscapes, at least for now till there is a soultion, don't fly there or close your eyes if it bothers you that much. Putting more limits on what people can do believe it or not, drives away people playing the game, you don't want to promote people to leave the game do you?

I'm certain some people are annoying, but for the most part people in here are very down to earth, from what I've seen, don't wanna see them go and get people in here that stare at the computer monitor for hours on end like in chat rooms.

Is it just my imagination, or do land tools work several times faster if you apply them with your camera zoomed right up close? I've tried to level/raise from a distance and it takes forever... but if I zoom in and do it, it seems to go quite quickly.

I agree with you on rights, but I sure wish that building and land editing could be turned on AFTER a new resident completes an intro class; I'm glad I didnt figure it out straight off, certainly...

I definitely would not want to have a 45 degree limit on lowering land. I recently finished building my house under a big tree in Welsh, and that would have been impossible with this kind of limit.

Limiting the tools may prevent people from creating places that are ugly, but it also hinders those who make ones that are beautiful and interesting.