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Emma, hard to help get it off the ground when the link displays: Page cannot be displayed error. GL

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006230155,00.html

Stop spamming. Weirdo arsehole.

Is there another way to access the forum?

Free accounts will mean more goreans. Meh.

Goreans get right on my tits with their "tal" and their mistresses and their whips 'n' chains.

Fair enough in a virtual world, as long as it's kept out of my face, but these ones taking it into the real world need to be lined up against a wall and shot.

AR'd. That was beyond the pale.

Moved to the Resident Websites forum.



Very much so. Noted and forwarded to Lindens.

For sure. Totally uncalled for.

Noticed. Per the Community Standards:Please be good to each other.

Slavery is not protected by the standard on Intolerance. players engaged in controversial roleplaying are protected from Harassment or Assault. however this does not protect their roleplay from open discussion or condemnation.

While Jauani is technicaly correct about the Intolerance rule not protecting it, LL has made no effort to stamp it out. Probably because A) they don't beleive in this type of social control and B) it does not scale with a growing community. Any proposed change to social policy would need to scale in a cost effective manner (linear as opposed to exponential).

I think an accurate analogy, would be that of the role of insects in relation to a tree. You could say that SL was an Acacia tree, with many communties of insects living on it. Some like the Pseudomyrmex Ferrugine (a variety of stinging ant), fiercely gaurd the tree from others. Is the Pseudomyrmex's battle one it believes rightchiosness? Yes. Is the tree big enough to support all of the insect communities? Yes (LL tells us so). If the tree feeds the other insect communties like it does the Pseudomyrmex, is Pseudomyrmex right to try and force them out?

The Community Standards are based on tolerance. Is forcing a group to change or leave, an act of tolerance? Is ridicule a form of tolerance?

The Intolerance rule, shelters such groups from ridicule and condemnation; regaurdless of it's truth. As to the enforcement of the rule, that is up to LL's discression (as per the TOS).

Having now meditated on this thread for a couple hours, I have come to a deeper understanding of the rules.

quoted again to add emphasis.


i'm not speaking about forcing out or any kinds of coercion. i'm refereing to what social aspects the standard on intolerance covers. community structure/heirachy is not included. meaning that the politics of any given community are open for discussion and condemnation and any form of intolerance.

however, the standard does protect players from harassment and assault. so whatever rusholme may have to say about slavery and misogony on the forum, he is not entitled to go to a gorean sim and placard it and shoot them for their "trespasses".

Glad to see that tolerance of the viewpoint of others is alive and well in Second Life.

The sentance in bold applies to groups; while the last sentance only deals with individuals. With that noted, I use the first sentance to extend the third to include the protection of groups.

Really it should just be reworded to clear up the confusion, either include groups on not.

Edit:
The intolerance guidelines are just extentions of the Section 4.1.iv of the TOS.

Edit2:
At this point we are just having a debate on how the rules can be read. Unless LL instructs us (the ResMods) that this reading is accurate; then it probably won't generate more then a warning like Torleys.

Edit3:
Groups (should) inherit thier protections under the CS from the residence who are in them. If you cannot do something to an individual you cannot to do it to a group of individuals. It sends the wrong message when you say "no you cannot go after the users, but you can go after thier groups". Every other rule in SL applies equaly to groups as users.

The threat of violence was beyond the pale, or is it okay with you to threaten violence on a group of consensual role players?

Actually Torley, the very nature of the practice of Gor in SL is in violation of this same ruling. It is bigotted, and very limitted in it's view thinking that it is a natural order adn the right way for all ppl's to be. If a Liason is going to climb on ppl for a violation of this in the name of upholding Linden's rules, then perhaps that same Liason should be in world doing something about the Goreans breaking this very same rule left and right. Rules apply to all, not just to some.

Dmitri, you and others here seem to have a problem with consenting adults roleplaying a slavery fantasy. You perceive a threat where absolutely none exists.

I don't see hunting parties of Gorean men roving across the SL or RL landscape capturing unwilling women and dragging them back to their virtual cities or RL "dungeons". I do see, however, male and female adult fans of the Gor novels congregating in their own spaces to discuss and roleplay themes from those novels. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with this happening in Second Life NOR in real life.

You and others may not like the subject matter of the fantasy- in this case, slavery of women - but no one, including you AND LL and whomever else, gets to dictate what others like to fantasize about, NOR does anyone get to deny adults the right to roleplay with each other whatever they wish.

Since there is NO real-world crime being committed here and since you thankfully lack the power of policing the thoughts of others, ultimately you'll just have to deal with the fact that there are people who like to roleplay stuff you think is "OMG SICK'N'WRONG".

Here's a reality check for you and others: There are NO Goreans in the real world. There are Gor FANS. Gor is a fictional world. Gorean society is a fictional society, and Gorean enslavement of women is a fictional practice.

Real-world large-scale slavery DOES occur, yes...but you can be sure it ain't carried out by geeky fans of a set of rather poorly-written books full of adolescent fantasies about female submission.

All you folk whining about "the Goreans"...PLEASE get a grip on reality and your noses out of other people's fantasies already.

i was discussing the boundaries the standard sets. read my post again - open discussion and condemnation. not threats of violence.

let's move the sidebar out of the gorean forum advert... link

This boy may not make forum posts on the Gorean forums, please see my Mistress for any opinions I should have on this subject.

Sorry i am not sure why the link isnt working, this one should do

http://gorean.1.forumer.com/index.php?act=idx
or http://gorean.1.forumer.com

And slavery in SL isnt slavery, its just RP. I am not gorean in RL and will never be, neverthless it's an interesting culture to discover. The roleplay is great! Just check how many sims are out there!

In retrospect, this dicussion has nothing to do with the forum. One on forum moderation should take place in the resmod forum, and we have already discussed if the discussion is appropriate; but it is definitily not appropriate for this forum.

I am locking this thread so that any debate may take place in it's respective place.