unintentional nudity in PG sims

The police blotter report got me to thinking about this issue.

I -never- go around nude intentionally in world, not even in the Mature sims, much less the PG ones. And yet there does exist a snapshot taken of me, topless, at the old welcome area. How'd this happen? I was wearing a large (kb-wise) texture that was taking f.o.r.e.v.e.r to load for the other clients. I could see it, but even after 10-15 minutes they couldn't.

I wasn't reported for public indecency, but I could have been. I'm fairly certain that at some point someone who is not nekkid, but appears to be so, will be reported for nudity in a PG sim.

What's going to happen then? I know, they'll be warned the first time. No biggie. But if/when it happens a second time? Suspension.

I agree that someone who actually IS nude in a PG sim should suffer the consequences -- but how can someone who is NOT nude prove it when their texture won't load for anyone in view?

When reports of this nature are received by the Linden Vice Squad, how are the facts verified? Is this information in the database where it can be retrieved to prove that Schmoozy Sunchaser was in fact nude, or was in fact wearing at least a shirt and a pair of pants?

I'm sure that info -is- in the db and -can- be gotten to... but oh what a lot of work for the Vice Squad when we go live and have thousands upon thousands of residents. How many nudity reports do you suppose will be filed during an average day then?

Thoughts, anyone?

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I totally agree with you. There was about 3 days where Feniks Stone insisted that I was naked. I just kept appearing naked to her, it was really weird. It doesnt happen anymore (or she stopped telling me), but, I have the same worries as you.

If the Lindens go by checking if someone is wearing a shirt and pants or not, what prevents them from making these articles of clothing be transparent textures?

The abuse reporter generates a snapshot of the situation being reported -- generally catching the perpetrator in flagrante delicto.

As to intentional vs. accidental nudity on a PG sim, lets just say that its those who have 'enhanced' their nudity that tend to be reported.

Ah but Daniel, that snapshot that's generated by the abuse report is generated from the view of the person filing the report, yes? And the person filing the report is -not- seeing clothing, so that snapshot won't see the clothing either, will it?

Not meaning to be a pita about this, but as often as it happens to me, I -know- I'm gonna get reported one of these days, even tho I don't <cough> enhance anything =)

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Just to let you guys are not alone....

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seems the link is not working, too bad it is James in all his glory.

Only kidding. It my other post about how I had to keep asking people if I was naked because it seemed I was, quite a bit, to others and not myself...




fen-

The link works if you copy and paste it into address bar. BTW, when I first read that, I actually spit the water I was drinking at the monitor I was so scared. You really freaked me out! LOL

A related issue which I see far more often than this is the simple act of changing clothes often leads to a naked avatar for several seconds, or several minutes depending on connection, client, and server speed at the time.

Trying to think of a technical approach to this...

It occurs to me that most rendering systems go to some length to avoid rendering things that are obscured by other things. I've noticed in SL though I often see a building for a bit but then another building pops up in front of it and in fact, when flying, I crash right into it with a thud. I don't know why the thing further away would render first, unless it has to do with texture complexity or something.

Maybe for avatars at least there should be some stricter checking. If I have full length pants and a shirt on, there should be no point in rendering most of my body, other than head and hands, and in this case I use "rendering" to include rendering, plus downloading of texture and color information. If for some reason the texture of my shirt, lets say, hasn't made it to everyones system yet, then I would think that they should be seeing through me rather than seeing my skin. Not that this is a desirable outcome, but it is at least as good as the alternative, and it has the advantage of being more efficient even when things are working as they should be.

Back to buildings, there is a building in my neighborhood that I only see when I get right up to it for the first time (during a session). After that everything is normal, but otherwise I can always see the objects on the other side of this building long before the building itself comes into view... I'm talking 10 feet here, not "draw distance" lengths. I haven't tried to figure out what is unique about this structure, but maybe there is something similar about some peoples items of clothing that make them not render until you get very close to them, or perhaps not render for certain video cards etc.

*Sigh*

He're the deal about unintentional nudity.

The short version:

We still have a few bugs that can cause other people to see you without clothes, but even after those bugs are fixed, if you really don't want people to see you naked, don't change your clothes in public.

The long version:

There are several different areas of your avatar (head, upper body, lower body, and eyes) that are result of compositing multiple texture layers. For example, your upper body can have layers for a tatoo, an undershirt, a shirt, and a jacket, all of which are partially visible at the same time.

In order to composite (combine) those textures together, your computer must first download them. The ones that haven't downloaded yet aren't visible--just like textures on buildings. Now if you and I are both in the world, I might have downloaded all of my textures, and so I'll look dressed to me, but you might not have downloaded my textures yet, and so I'll look naked to you.

Sadly, we still have a few bugs that can keep textures from being properly downloaded.

But wait, there's more. What I've said so far generally only applies while you're changing your avatar's appearance. As soon as you leave Appearance mode (or put on a new piece of clothing or outfit), your computer starts to construct a set of special, high-resolution composite textures (which we call "baked" textures) which are automatically uploaded to the server when they're finished. If you watch, you can see the change as your textures are baked: the image quality will slowly increase, then drop suddenly, and then improve a little as the textures adjust to your current viewing distance.

So generally speaking, when I see somebody in world, I don't have to download their tatoo and undershirt and shirt and jacket textures, for example. Instead, I just download a viewing distance-appropriate version of their upper body baked texture and skip the compositing entirely. Once I've uploaded baked textures, there's no risk of accidental nudity. The worst that can happen is that I'll temporarily appear to be gray.

The baking process can get messed up in three ways:
1. If you aren't able to download the full layer textures, the composites will never finish "baking."

2. If your graphics card and/or driver are messed up or there's some rendering bug, then the baked texture will look wrong, and the wrongness will appear to be "permanent." (Really, it will stick around only until the next time to change your appearance.)

3. If your upstream network connection is messed up or there's a related bug, you won't be able to upload the baked textures when they're ready.

If you _don't_ have baked textures and you go to a party, everyone will have to do the same compositing they would have to do if you were in Appearance mode...which means that if they have a slow connection, they're going to see some skin until they download your clothing layers.

We're hard at work making sure that everyone quickly gets all the textures they need. If you think that your textures are just refusing to bake, please report it: you've probably found a bug.

But even once all of those bugs are worked out, you still won't be able to change your clothes at the party without risking being caught with your pants down.

We could have made it so that no one could see you at all until your appearance was completely finished--but IMHO that would have been a shame. It's just too much fun to interactively watch your friends try on different looks. So, in the long term, if you want privacy, step into a dressing room, powder your nose, then then wait a minute (for the texture baking) before making your grand entrance.

That's how things look from this end. Feedback welcome!

Hope this helps!
Aaron

This is a little silly.
I can understand outrage for blatant and purposeful stark nekkidness, but for cryin' out loud. ppl.... These av's are not only anatomically incorrect, they are anatomy-less!
They have no bits and pieces. None. Any man that drools excessively at "avatar breasts", has some kind of edipus complex, and should seek counceling.
My 6-year-old nephew's Spiderman action figure is probably in an advanced state of "undress" as I type this.

Kinda sad, though, that the repressiveness of our RL society has to be present in SL , hmm?

Let me assure you, the only residents cited for public nudity in a PG sims are those who have taken it upon themselve to add appendages that correct any anatomical deficiences.

We're aware of technical issues that might make an avatar unitentionally naked, and no one will be persecuted for a gaffe of this kind...its those who visit a PG area with a male member srpouting from their forehead who are in violation of the Community Standards.

So tonight I'll build and sell the Portable Changing Room, a device that can be triggered on command for build areas, or attached for non-build.

You want it because you want to be decent and do the right thing...don't you? 100 L$.

Needs a slogan...how about "It's easier than the gym."

Teehee that reminds me of the ones they have in 'There'. When you first appear you're behind a screen of some sort, then when you're finally dressed, it vanishes..

I'd make my own but since i don't know how to script! *pout*

*nudges Tcoz*....wanna make me a script that i can add to my dressing screen?

hehe

Daniel, Thanks sooo much for the clarification =)

"Only those who are wearing certain attachments will be cited" is quite a bit different than "Only people who are wearing certain attachments are reported"

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