Trespassing

One of the most enjoyable things to do on SL is explore. It is wonderful to see the many creative builds on SL. Can I assume that if the land lets you in that it is permissable to explore the property? I understand the dwell time might benefit the owner. I also expect that most owners enjoy showing off thier creations.

I assume that if the owner hasn't blocked others from entering, that it is OK to do so. I'm asking because I feel a little nervous about the owner coming home, finding me there and being upset about it. Of course I would leave if asked. And honest, I didn't touch is wife!

I understand that the RL law where I live is that if it is not posted, then its not trespassing. But if you are asked to leave and don't then it becomes trespassing. It is however illegal to set booby traps to harm trespassers.

ArchTx

There is no trespassing in Second Life.

The lindens make it possible for you to ban everyone except a guest list if that's what you want to do, so nobody has any excuse to be unhappy if someone wanders on to unsecured land.

So yeah, if you CAN get onto someone's land, you're good to go.

Back in the day pretty much EVERYONE enjoyed having folks drop by to look at their builds.

The same rules pretty much apply here, although some people do have annoying security scripts that will teleport you home without any advanced notice (grrrrrr!!). The vast majority of people are happy to have people explore their creations.

But as a better response...

If you have to use a camera to get into the place because the door won't open for you...that's typically trespassing.

I have a castle in Osterhout where the first floor has no door...it's a store...and a courtyard...I allow anyone and everyone to go there. The second floor is the "Main Hall" that has a door on it that uses an access list. Only certain people have permission to open it...so...that means you don't enter unless invited or on the list. The third and fourth floors are my private quarters...there is a single door up top which only I can open...if someone is in there and I haven't let them in...it's tresspassing.

That's the way I look at it.

I always go on the assumption that if people take the time to build and texture something, they probably want people to see it. I don't enter builds that are hard to get into, or go places that are built up higher than the average flight height, or that are currently occupied. If the entryway seems to be hidden, or blocked or otherwise not obvious, they might be trying to privacy. I try to respect that and don't force my way in. Otherwise, it's fair game.

I have no problem with visitors. All I ask is that you don't litter and close the door when you leave.

The reaction I get from some folks with a load of paranoia is (paraphrased):


"How come you are so peaceful? The last 'visitors' who came by my place shot me with a push gun, or rezzed junk all over my porch! And the ones before that wouldn't let up and tried to drive a car through, so I had to AR them to Lindens. It's such a refreshing change of pace to just... talk. And have a good conversation at that!"


What I gather is that some peeps just don't enjoy having visitors 'cuz most of the "visitors", as the malignant quotation marks indicate, are annoying GREEFER KIN that are not actually there to check out a build but cause trouble and make the owner tear his/her/its/other prim hair attachments out. ARGHHH! I generalize of course, and it's not that bad, but nowadays there does seem to be more inconsideration: with a larger community comes larger problems.

But I know what it's like to be treated kindly after being a long period of being kicked around. In my case, it wasn't bad physically, but emotionally, not being able to share my ideas freely weighed heavily on me. Thankfully, in SL, I've gotten to indulge this gregariously!

So, I just shrug, and continue to converse, asking my host more questions about their Second Life and hoping to learn!

As NFM said, if you want to be polite, simply go only where you can enter by simply walking/flying. If you can fly in it means that the owner doesn't find any problem in people visiting. Instead if the owner of a parcel placed a locked door it probably means he doesn't want people to enter that particular room/building and a polite visitor will avoid using the camera/sit trick to enter.
Of course if you enter you will not be breaking any rules, but better not be surprised if someone gets pissy about it.
For instance i normally keep my office/workshop/photo studio behind locked doors that clearly tell you "Door closed, access denied" when you try to open them, when someone enters without permission (expecially when im designing something for girls and i am in a girls body for that) i normally just shrug and continue to work, but i'm not extremely happy about it.
In conclusion: just think that if the owner placed a locked door it normally means he doesn't want uninvited people there, otherwise, explore and have fun

PS: if a building is placed high into the sky and you see two or more very near green dots in it, my personal advice is not to enter it

I can't stand all these people with ban scripts or ban lines (ESPECIALLY the lines!) on thier houses. Want some privacy for a little bit? Fine, put it up. But all the time? Pfft. What's the point of building a house in SL if people can't check it out, and compliment you on it? I mean, that's the only use *I* see for it- but I've never had a house myself. Labs and stores, yes, but not a house.

Yeah i don-t like them as well, but if the world was a nice place a locked door would be enough

Why do people want to keep others out, anyways? What do they have to hide?

Are they afraid some noob is going to track mud into thier house?

You might see their super secret fisting equiptment and their german dundgeon porn collection

Nothin' you can't see without alt-click.

And besides, don't you think banlines would make you MORE curious?

Turn off surface patch, turn off volumn, turn off water and get the popcorn, it's showtime!

I've tried to form a group that does nothing BUT trespass on nice builds.

But alas, no one cares enough to join and kill time with me. I feel like a prevert breaking into houses alone. But in a group, it's a party!

I enjoy having visitors come to Susieland to get the free gifts we have set out and to take a look around. What I don't like is people trooping up the stairs to our bedroom. There is a large stop sign on the stairs which most people respect but others just hop over it. Not only do my partner and I have intimate relations up there, we also use it as a work area for our creations.

Besides locking the front door I know of no way to get a little privacy. I guess we could go hide in the bushes when the urges strike

I always figure, if the door is unlocked, you're good to go. Using any kind of trick to get past locked doors or no-door houses I would say could qualify as trespassing, as I myself have had this happened (doors, windows, etc. all locked) and have found it very annoying especialy when working.

Also alot of it is the impression you get, some areas in SL definitly look like private places.

The land tools are not something I go by, because I find them annoying to use and encounter myself.

Thus using the locked door policy.

I used to have a private room that one could get into only by using hidden teleporters. But I got tired of all the IMs people would send me how nice my build was, especially the rooms in the basement. I gave up and put a normal door to my private room and just put a "go away" mat in front of the door. That was pretty much the only room I wanted to keep private, because it is where I work, but I realized there is no real privacy in SL, so I just gave up and put out the door mat.

I didn't/don't mind people exploring the rest of my build, but not my private room where I work. Oh well, if people want to get in they will always find away, and I REFUSE to use those damn security scripts. I am about ready to neg rate the next person who sends me home while flying over there build to get somewhere.

I have heard folks talking, perhaps bragging, about how they would go into other people's houses and use all the nastiest (i.e. best) sex animations and scripts they could, including rezzing bodily "fluids", specifically in PG areas where the owners would be more likely to find such actions distasteful.

I find the restricted access bars quite annoying and there is certainly nothing that makes me want to look in a place more than being barred from doing so but given that people will deliberately do the best they can to desecrate an area I can see how a person might want to put them up.

For sightseeing there seem to be enough places that look like they were designed with the intention of being visited while the owner was away that you wouldn't have any need to go looking inside anywhere you got the feeling you weren't wanted. Anytime you have a question you can IM the owner and go later if they say it's OK.

In most places, in the US, it’s required that you post a “Trespassers Will Be Shot” sign on your perimeter fence before you can start popping off civilians who stray onto your land.

Setting aside the ethics of popping people off, I think we should agree on a social courtesy that asks for similar notification in Second Life. A person running a deadly script (Death in SL is equal to home-teleportation) should have some sort of warning so that innocent people don’t end up dead through no fault of their own. It is simply immoral to leave a deadfall trap that innocent people are even more likely to encounter than the people being protected against.

Either post visible signs, put up the red bars, or shoot a red stream of particles into the sky or something. Give us some sort of warning that this is a hot LZ.

From now on, I will call anyone with a hidden trap a cruel and selfish jerk. If I see particle streamers, signs, or red bars, I will call them considerate neighbors. A bit insular, I suppose, but considerate neighbors nonetheless.

People who make and sell deadly security devices should include a free kit of copyable signs and/or streamers with each device they sell – with instructions and encouragement for their responsible use.

I like getting visitors. When my visitor log script informs me of visitors while I'm away, I'm thrilled to note that someone is exploring my Fusion Power Plant and checking out all the little easter eggs I have left for explorers.

I honestly don't understand the paranoid desire some have for privacy in SL.

Feel free to contact me on line and we'll go trespassing together.

While exploring a large island mansion last night I noticed that the map showed a large body of water (lake) below the mansion. All of the rest of the place was completely open, no doors, so I started looking for an entrance to the lake. I found what appeared to be a sewer grate over one end of it, and when I touched it to see if it would open, it blew my AV completely out of the sim square, and into the next non-existent space. Where I was stuck. Couldn't do anything but turn in circles. I had to teleport to get out.

A simple "no trespassing" note when I touched the door would have been quite enough thanks. I'm looking for that property owner now to give them a piece of my mind.