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Dont ever publish contributions before the jury have closed the competion - PLS!

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I publish this Hotline to Linden at this thread to as I think there can be - ?? -- A discussion between us in SL about this to..



In my humble opinion the contribution´s to ANY competition ( Like the ones that are going on now):

Nothing - of course! - should be published from any of the performers before the jurys publishing of the winners.. thats normal IRL... and if any does they also get...

LL winners then will be published here - the private ones at private home pages..


Any comments about this?

My only comment is that I don't understand your post.

I don't think english is her first language.

She seems to be saying that she does not think that people should display their work BEFORE the judging.

Is that right, PetGirl?

Yes... tks.. I want that to be a regulation... to!

And tks for understanding...FF

Why not? I posted a picture of my entry for the train station contest on sluniverse the day it was completed. I don't expect it to influence the judges in any way. Is this the kind of thing you're talking about?

I tend to agree with PetGirl;

For one thing, I can see it having a chilling effect on the competition, particularly when done early on. Someone who isnt so confident in their work, and wavering about entering a competition, sees entries published early. They conclude: "Wow, that is so good, I could never compete with that." So they dont!

They had a perfectly good idea, maybe a great one, and maybe the skill to execute it effectively. So they miss an opportunity that would have given them the confidence to go on and maybe become an outstanding builder.

Or the other side of the coin. Someone sees an early entry posted, and concludes: "Wow, what a cool idea. But I can do it better." So they do.

In both cases, I believe the contest would have been better served without the early entry being posted.

I can appreciate the desire to share your work. Goodness knows I like people to see mine ... But, in my opinion, patience, and observing the order of a contest is a good thing.

Jim

I absolutely agree with PetGirl (who is Swedish if I remember right) and Jim Lumiere.

I would add that in addition to the ill effects they pointed out, it also stifles creativity in that as more people see more pictures posted, people start building something more like that, rather than the perhaps wildly divergent creations that would more likely occur when no one sees anything of what others are doing.

coco

I think I'm with Khamon on this. We need not go into freedom of speech issues here, but I do know they are important to a lot of people. A restriction on what one can/cannot post (especially within TOS) won't sit well with many people.

I feel that getting pictures out there can help stimulate competition and in the end improve the final product. If I were blissfully unaware of the quality of a competitors entry into a contest, I'm more likely to become complacent when it comes to quality. Seeing outstanding work from my competition is just the sort of thing that would light a fire under my rear and force me to do a better job.

It's also handy to see the direction your competitors are going on a project. Everybody wants their project to stand out and be different. But there is no way to know for sure what is different unless you can see what the others are doing.

Who cares if someone else wants to share their entry with the world? It's their perogative. This isn't Mr Roger's Neighborhood. The real world does not coddle those who are insecure.

Well, Aimee has a good point, too.

coco

P.S. I speak fluent Pet-Girl!

Well said.

Nor should it coddle those that can't make a deadline. I'm more disgusted that the deadline was pushed back AFTER the original deadline time had passed and entries were being judged.

As far as posting pics before hand, if the owner of that build wants to take the chance of his ideas being improved on, that is his/her business. Personally, I would prefer not helping other competitiors with inspiration, but that's just my quirk. If other's do publish, then they should also be willing to deal with the inevitable, "they took my idea and won with it!"

-Taylor

I'm with Taylor on this one. I'd personally never post an artistic entry early so as to (as Aimee put it) light a fire under the rear of the competition. The best I could hope for was to weed out the less confident competition, and frankly, if they're made that insecure by my work (or whoever is posting early, speaking theoretically!) then I didn't have to worry in the first place. XD

So I don't see why you couldn't post early. A real competitor is just going to say "that's cool - but I bet I can do better". All you're doing is hurting yourself.

Sorry, while there are some interesting perspectives here, I remain unconvinced.

Of course, since convincing me of anything isnt high on any of the responders' to do lists, that's OK.

The deadline extension irritated me as well. They claim to have had a surfeit of entries, but I can't help but suspect that one of the stations did not get any bids, or that they were dissatisfied with the bids thus far. Otherwise, the extensions seems gratuitious and unprofessional.

Edit: Of course, I suppose I could actually read the extension announcement instead of proferring idiotic conjecture. Apparently deadline confusion was the problem... what confusion? It seemed clear enough to me.

The only time publishing entries should be relevant is in a popularity-based contest. Even then, it should be prohibited only when the contest entry prohibits such means.

Several of the more recent contests have not been based on popular opinion, including the recent Game Dev Competition in which I participated. However, a few of the newer contests are based on popularity, including the NWN Extraordinary Avatar Expo.

In these cases, I feel the answer to this is best left up to those that form the competition, be they Lindens, residents, or another third party. Placing restrictions on this sort of thing is not a good idea; if you feel the rules are too far skewed in someone else's favor and can't cope with that, don't join.

Personally, I rarely enter contests precisely for this reason. Popularity is a fickle and difficult creature.

"We will accept bid submissions from now until AUGUST 19."

This meant that entries were due by 12AM August 19th so that the team had from then until 5PM to judge the entries and announce the winners.

People understood it to mean that they could submit their entries anytime before 5PM on August the 19th and they would still be valid.

Now we have to wait til Tuesday hush hush keep it down now voices carry.

I swear SL is like Middle School, people have the most fragile freaking egos.

WHAT ABOUT THE SELF ESTEEM?!?!!?!?!?!

If this is the reason for the extension (as I understand it too), then why wasn't an extension until 5pm that day enough?
Everybody else got their proposals in in time...

Logic dictates that since the original closing was on friday, and the move was to the following tuesday, that the deadline was a side effect of the next available day that the lindens would be at work to judge: Tuesday.

Monday is their weekend catchup day, and so that would not be a good time, and why not allow the slack time to be used for new entrys? Nothing strange here.

In most RL competitions that bear any semblance to those typical Linden ones it actually *is* forbidden to publish the entries before the jury decides or before there is an official display of *all* competing designs. Breakinfg this rule usually lead to disqualification of the contestant. There are a lot of good reasons for this rule. Fear of insecurity of the contestants usually not being among them

This restriction was not required by the Lindens in this case. So no contestant is obliged to refrain from publishing its entry. I think it would be a good idea to have such a rule in future competitions.

With regard to the clarity of the announcement:I would read this as submissions being accepted till midnight of August 19th - or maybe till the end of office hours of August 19th.

But - as IMing with Nigel - that was not meant. On Thursday he communicated clearly that submissions were expected on Thursday. I am not sure if my understanding of the deadline was "obvious". Maybe not.

I admit that the next sentence in the Call for Proposals contradicts my interpretation:Still, "clarity" is something different. It would have been nice and helpful to contestants if the deadline would have been stated more precisely, maybe

Anyway ... this competition - in which I participated only periphelly - was *loads* of fun. These little glitches are no big deal I see them only as a sign that Lindens are still "practicing" ... and learning

I should qualify that posting a a train station pic was just a personal example I offered for the sake of discussion. I've no idea what specific instance PetGirl was talking about in her original post.

I forgot that Nigel sent around a clarification notice on Thursday. Posting that in the thread might've cleared any confusion we had about the deadline. Anyway, they repaired the situation as they saw fit. There's no oversight or regulation to Linden sponsored contests; it's all committed in good faith and good fun.

Relax and Enjoy