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blaze Spinnaker

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07-01-2005 00:26

"Linden Lab wants to turn these properties into profit -- a goal that has so far proven elusive".

http://zero.hastypastry.net/SL_Red_Herring/page02.jpg

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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Moopf Murray

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07-01-2005 00:39

From: blaze Spinnaker

"Linden Lab wants to turn these properties into profit -- a goal that has so far proven elusive".

http://zero.hastypastry.net/SL_Red_Herring/page02.jpg

Blaze, how about posting this on the applicable thread, rather than starting a new one just for it? However, yes it would appear that they're not turning a profit yet, thanks for finding it.

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Josephine Boccara

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07-01-2005 00:43

Cause, I've been asked by about 5 different people in 5 different threads.

Ushuaia Tokugawa

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07-01-2005 00:46

I wonder how many people just saw that.

Moopf Murray

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07-01-2005 00:49

From: Ushuaia Tokugawa

I wonder how many people just saw that.

Hehe, replies sent to email are so useful.

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splat1 Edison

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07-01-2005 03:20

Again this is another topic started by a question the lindens have allready explained....

They still have a lot of VC to pay off as such, so are currently not making a profit. But are still well funded and are on the right track to make a profit in time to come.

Word to that effect were said by a linden that I asked. I will not name names, but if you dont take my word for it, post in the help line and get the same response.

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blaze Spinnaker

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07-01-2005 03:26

Feel free to ask yourself

"Are you cash flow positive"?

You'll get a no answer. I'll bet you any amount of lindens.

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Moopf Murray

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07-01-2005 03:40

From: blaze Spinnaker

Feel free to ask yourself

"Are you cash flow positive"?

You'll get a no answer. I'll bet you any amount of lindens.

Blaze, with all due respect, as you're the one piping on about this, why don't you ask, to put your own opinion to the test?

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Colette Meiji

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07-01-2005 08:18

thank you.

So they expect to meet that market this year. Therefore I suppose let them find out if they can.

Their investors (the ones who brought the 8 million in funding in recently) evidently must see this as a resaonble investment.

As far as players go, their chocies to spend money in many cases will have nothing to do with how much money Second Life makes for Linden Labs.

I still question your motives Blaze. Indeed though i doubt the naysayers in general on these forums have much influence, the fact that there is constant harping on SL being a <bad investment> is a potential self fufiling prophesy. I believe other used FUD.

Using some exageration as an example:

a- SL isnt cash flow positive you shouldnt invest.
b- your right i wont and ill tell all of my friends not to.

LL - wow look at all those people who just tiered down =/

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It actually reads more like LL and SL are on the verge of being profitable, therefore the optomistic take on it is. If players pretty much spend according to the trend they will turn a proffit some time this year.

If customers are even more enthusiastic .. well that just increases the chances, doesnt it?

Chosen Few

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07-01-2005 09:00

The average time for any new business to begin seeing a profit is after the first five years. For LL, that's this year. If it turns out to be true that they "hit the mark" this year, that would make LL a text book statistic. In other words, perfectly normal.

Also, the trend in the last 200 years of American business has been that if your company survives the first 5 years, then it more than likely will survive to 10. If it's healthy at 10, then it most likely will make it to 20. If it's healthy at 20, it probably will make it to 50. If it's healthy at 50, it's permanent.

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Cienna Samiam

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07-01-2005 10:33

Most MMOs do not see profit until the second or third year, and almost all of them have at least one scarecrow who enjoys flapping their arms and making scary sounds in attempt to drive away others.

Par for the course. Though it is nice to have them self-identify so you know who to take seriously.

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I keep getting pestered about not citing, soooo
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	07-01-2005 00:26 "Linden Lab wants to turn these properties into profit -- a goal that has so far proven elusive". http://zero.hastypastry.net/SL_Red_Herring/page02.jpg _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Moopf Murray Moopfmerising Join date: 7 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,448	07-01-2005 00:39 From: blaze Spinnaker "Linden Lab wants to turn these properties into profit -- a goal that has so far proven elusive". http://zero.hastypastry.net/SL_Red_Herring/page02.jpg Blaze, how about posting this on the applicable thread, rather than starting a new one just for it? However, yes it would appear that they're not turning a profit yet, thanks for finding it. _____________________
Josephine Boccara Registered User Join date: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 10	07-01-2005 00:43 Cause, I've been asked by about 5 different people in 5 different threads.
Ushuaia Tokugawa Nobody of Consequence Join date: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 268	07-01-2005 00:46 I wonder how many people just saw that.
Moopf Murray Moopfmerising Join date: 7 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,448	07-01-2005 00:49 From: Ushuaia Tokugawa I wonder how many people just saw that. Hehe, replies sent to email are so useful. _____________________
splat1 Edison Registerd Nut Join date: 6 Sep 2004 Posts: 353	07-01-2005 03:20 Again this is another topic started by a question the lindens have allready explained.... They still have a lot of VC to pay off as such, so are currently not making a profit. But are still well funded and are on the right track to make a profit in time to come. Word to that effect were said by a linden that I asked. I will not name names, but if you dont take my word for it, post in the help line and get the same response. _____________________ Splat Soft - We exsist in the RL to! Gigas Bunny (Mule) #### You see, our experts describe you as an appallingly dull fellow, unimaginative, timid, lacking in initiative, spineless, easily dominated, no sense of humour, tedious company and irrepressibly drab and awful. And whereas in most professions these would be considerable drawbacks, in chartered accountancy they are a positive boon.
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	07-01-2005 03:26 Feel free to ask yourself "Are you cash flow positive"? You'll get a no answer. I'll bet you any amount of lindens. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Moopf Murray Moopfmerising Join date: 7 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,448	07-01-2005 03:40 From: blaze Spinnaker Feel free to ask yourself "Are you cash flow positive"? You'll get a no answer. I'll bet you any amount of lindens. Blaze, with all due respect, as you're the one piping on about this, why don't you ask, to put your own opinion to the test? _____________________
Colette Meiji Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 15,556	07-01-2005 08:18 thank you. So they expect to meet that market this year. Therefore I suppose let them find out if they can. Their investors (the ones who brought the 8 million in funding in recently) evidently must see this as a resaonble investment. As far as players go, their chocies to spend money in many cases will have nothing to do with how much money Second Life makes for Linden Labs. I still question your motives Blaze. Indeed though i doubt the naysayers in general on these forums have much influence, the fact that there is constant harping on SL being a <bad investment> is a potential self fufiling prophesy. I believe other used FUD. Using some exageration as an example: a- SL isnt cash flow positive you shouldnt invest. b- your right i wont and ill tell all of my friends not to. LL - wow look at all those people who just tiered down =/ ------------ It actually reads more like LL and SL are on the verge of being profitable, therefore the optomistic take on it is. If players pretty much spend according to the trend they will turn a proffit some time this year. If customers are even more enthusiastic .. well that just increases the chances, doesnt it?
Chosen Few Alpha Channel Slave Join date: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 7,496	07-01-2005 09:00 The average time for any new business to begin seeing a profit is after the first five years. For LL, that's this year. If it turns out to be true that they "hit the mark" this year, that would make LL a text book statistic. In other words, perfectly normal. Also, the trend in the last 200 years of American business has been that if your company survives the first 5 years, then it more than likely will survive to 10. If it's healthy at 10, then it most likely will make it to 20. If it's healthy at 20, it probably will make it to 50. If it's healthy at 50, it's permanent. _____________________ . Land now available for rent in Indigo. Low rates. Quiet, low-lag mainland sim with good neighbors. IM me in-world if you're interested.
Cienna Samiam Bah. Join date: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,316	07-01-2005 10:33 Most MMOs do not see profit until the second or third year, and almost all of them have at least one scarecrow who enjoys flapping their arms and making scary sounds in attempt to drive away others. Par for the course. Though it is nice to have them self-identify so you know who to take seriously. _____________________ Just remember, they only care about you when you're buying sims.

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