The Big Dog Speaks...and hits the nail on the head

"yea but the war is so worth it" and the oil pilfered in the end will cover all those loans

But he lied about a hummer he had in the oval office, so he's not a good authority on anything anymore.

The only thing that tells me is that perhaps Bush could use a good blow job.

I'm sure McClellan has taken care of that task many times.

Oh --you said a good blow job.

nevermind

ouch.

Sure?

"US debt is 62.4% of GDP (2003), France is 68.8% of GDP (2003), Japan is 154.6% of GDP (2003), Germany 64.2% of GDP (2003), Canada 77% of GDP (2003), Egypt debt is 101.8% of GDP (2003), Greece debt is 100.9% of GDP (2003), Austria debt is 67.7% of GDP (2003), Italy debt is 106.4% of GDP (2003), even countries like Switzerland and Sweden have debt over 50% of GDP. The percentage is more important than the actual amounts (which is still quite high for many nations) because it relates directly to the nations ability to rectify the debt. The US has a substantial debt but as a percentage is in a better position to budget itself out of debt when compared to the many nations with debt 70% and the many with debt over 100% of the GDP."

Not my words, but something to consider.

There you go again, Garoad. Can't you see that all your irresponsible making sense is getting in the way of rampant hate? Seriously. Be more responsible. Grow up already.

What about during the Revolutionary War, we borrowed guns and soldiers from France. But maybe he didn't consider that. I highly doubt that this is the FIRST time that we have borrowed money during a war.

The French make guns? Do they come with the white flags affixed?

The white flags were used during the winter at valley forge as foot-wear

thank you

I'll take that as a clear indication that you don't know what real hate is.

That is a nice list of countries. Forgive me if my standard for the US isn't, "well we're better than France and Sudan." I mean really, what were those Sudanese thinking?

More important than the percentage is the rate of increase. The national debt took 6 years to go from $5trillion to $6trillion. Under the current administration it went from $6t to $7t in two years.

Let me illustrate.

France 2003 - 68.8
France 2004 - 67.7

US 2003 - 62.4
US 2004 - 65.0

Austria 2003 - 67.7
Austria 2004 - 64.2



You can highly doubt many things, but it doesn't make your doubts a reality.

Perhaps we did borrow guns during the Revolutionary War. However, it's not quite the same thing. I mean, we didn't even have a Constitution or a President at that time.

Interestingly, you can contribute directly to the government to reduce the debt. They have an address to mail your check and everything on their website.
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdfaq.htm#opdfaq42

How much money was contributed directly to reduce the debt in 2004?
$664,911.25

Granted, Clinton didn't actively destroy the US as Bush is currently, I don't like either Clinton or W.

How I judge Presidents is simple:
"Name 1 thing that President did that improved the country?"

The best I could ever come up with for Clinton was "He stayed out of Congress' way." - but even that - through letting businesses pretty much do what they like during an economic boom - led to the Enrons and Tycos ... so that's not even that great.

But with Bush ... oh Bushie Bush Bush... the most I could come up with was "promoted safe nuclear power" - in an energy package riddled with tax breaks for oil companies and coal companies. Absolutely makes me sick.

I think our political parties both need ending, and we need new ideologies to emerge as prevailant. Our current ones suck.

Well, you asked for one, buit how's 10?

Clinton:

1. Not only balanced the budget, but converted the largest budget defecit in US history into a budget surplus of over $200 billion, the first surplus since 1969

2. Had the lowest combination of inflation and unemployment in the previous 25 years

3. Had the lowest unemployment in the previous 30 years (more than 22 million new jobs)

4. Cut taxes for 15 million low-income families and for 90% of small business, while raising taxes for just the top 1.2% wealthiest Americans to cover the difference (shows how wealthy the wealthiest really are)

5. Had the lowest government spending as a percentage of GDP in more than 30 years

6. Family & Medical Leave Act

7. Don't Ask Don't Tell (okay, open tolerance would have been better, but that wasn't going to happen)

8. The Brady Bill

9. Was instrumental in the disarming process of the IRA

10. Created Americorps


And all you could think of was "stayed out of Congress's way?" You mean the same Congress that shut itself down in 1994 because all those Republicans couldn't stand the fact that he was actually balancing the budget?

Hiro, my friend, I'm usually quite impressed by your political astuteness, but respectfully, I think you dropped the ball on this one.

Clinton was undeniably the single best Republican President this country has ever had.

Nah, just being silly. France rules.

Wrong. Congress balanced the budget in a rare act of non-partisan cooperation.


No, American "had" these things. This shows nothing to the actions of Clinton. I'd credit "The Internet" as the main drive behind the economic boom of the 90s, supported by Congress' ability to keep the budget balanced. Again, see my original comments - at best, Clinton can be credited with staying out of the way.


Who cut the taxes? I don't recall any Clinton tax cutting bills. They were Congressional bills - especially supporting small business. In this sense, though, I can credit Clinton for promoting these policies and rallying public support for them.


Again, America "had" these things. I asked for acts.


Done. You're absolutely right. +1 Clinton


heh.


All Clinton did was sign it. It was a Congressional made Bill -- and it was started during Bush Sr.'s Presidency in 1991 - but I don't give him credit for it, neither.
http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/Aborn1.html


That's debateable, I suppose. If you've been following current news, the IRA denounced all violent means to Irish unification, following the London Bombings. - I think that shows that the will to change really comes from within.

Clinton was a decent ambassador, though, I'll give you that. But he didn't make good military decisions, (Avoid dealing with things, get tangled in messes when they are far too late to help, run away when public opinion sways).


http://www.americorps.org/about/ac/history.asp
which was based on Bush Sr. era legislation?



Well, that was a sad time. Once they got past that, though, they managed to get a lot done.


We'll see. What do you think of my rebuttal?

Well, I think you give Congress a little too much credit.

- As part of the 1993 Economic Plan, President Clinton cut taxes on 15 million low-income families and made tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses, while raising taxes on just 1.2 percent of the wealthiest taxpayers.

- Clinton's Crime Bill will put 100,000 new police officers on the street.

- President Clinton expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit to cut the taxes of 15 million working families with incomes of $27,000 or less.

- President Clinton granted waivers to 25 states -- half the nation -- providing for comprehensive welfare reform demonstrations.

- President Clinton ordered the U.S. Justice Department to conduct the first-ever crackdown on deadbeat parents who refuse to accept financial responsibility for their own children.

Shall I go on? Ok

- Earned income tax credit.

- Foster Care Independence Act

- Clinton proposed and passed the HOPE Scholarships and Lifetime Learning tax credits to provide tax relief to nearly 13 million Americans each year who are struggling to pay for college.

- GEAR-UP Mentoring Program for Middle School Children

- National Campaign Against Youth Violence

- Hate Crimes Sentencing Enhancement Act

- New market Initiative encouraging investment in underpriveledged communities.

...and i could go on.

I am so sick of people equating the success of the Clinton adminstration to some kind of freak luck. There is a clear reson why child abuse declined every year of the Clinton Administration. There is a reason the budget was balanced. There is a reason abortion rates declined every year of the Clinton administration. There is a reason why gun violence declined.

All this Clinton praise.. Bush! cmon!!! the war on terror! thats good isnt it? all those poor people have a job in the army right? and they're kids too!! YAY!! *cough*