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"Dione and the Lag Monster Fights Back"

Dione Jacques
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Join date: 5 Sep 2004
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07-02-2005 04:12
"Dione and the Lag Monster Fights Back Together" by.. Dione Jacques of DoveVogue.

I have came across this article published by Posh Honey of the Pixel Press, and to my surprise, I couldnt believe it. For awhile we have all gotten along, and have had great fashion shows in SL, whether it be DoveVogue, BC Model, TopModel, Stacy Maracas, Mistress Midnight,Torrid Midnight, Aimee Weber, Sensual Casanova, etc.. (please forgive me if i missed anyone) In the past few months this "drama" has risen. And the Fashion Industry has been Split in Half because of it. But this was way to much for me, to sit back and read, and not state some truth here for everyone to read. It is not only you Posh Honey, I have read a article titled "DoveVogue Drama" written by Chipsen Queso of the SecondLife Herald. Which only created the Drama from stating untrue comments and fabrication of lies and unjust statements. The thing that makes me laugh, is both these writers are less than a year old, like me, well only a couple months, and know more than me about modeling and holding fashion shows, sim fps, etc... And when i spoke to both, they said they are fair, was looked into, was researched, they talked to the lindens, and they was "nice articles." Only stating the truth. And Got Great Reviews.

Well Let Me Introduce You To Some Truth and My Good Friend, The Lag Monster...


--This is taken from the Pixel Press Article, June 29, 2005, "Beauty in the Shadow"
Fashion Show Held by Me, Dione Jacques, For my Good Friend Storma Amarula at DoveVogue Studios, Owned and Operated by Palomma Casanova.--


Posh Honey.. So why all the lag heavy stage effects? I love pretty models as much as the next girl... ok I like them more than MOST girls, but if you are worried about lag, you slim down the number of models.

Dione Jacques.. but if you know anything about lag, and holding fashion shows, you understand that a packed sim of 40 people create a lag monster so terrible it can sometimes crash the sim,or even eat a model hehe. I have modeled for alot of top designers, and have appeared in lots of fashion shows, in different sims, old sims, new sims, good running sims, and poor running sims. There was always Lag. Did I mention the Lag Monster Loves Fashion Shows Like the Rest of Us and Never Misses One. Reason You Can Not Slim Down Number Of Models, is because the clothes, skins, etc.. will not rez in time, if it rezzes at all. So its very important to have a good number of models, To have a show run smooth, and end on time. Not saying 20 or 30, I used 10 Models, 2 Outfits Each, They was having a HARD TIME changing with a packed sim. I would hate to see the reviews of a show with outfits not rezzing, having only 3-5 models and only grey. Which has Happen.

Posh Honey.. You get a bigger server with less effects on it. (with less models)

Dione Jacques.. Model or No Model, Or Skunk Or Goat. 40 people is viewed as 40 people last time I checked. Sim fps always runs at 5 (0 meaning server crash) with 40 people in a sim. Until LL changes it, to allow more than 40 in a sim, its something that happens. Unless its built on a corner of a sim. (which means you control all four corners in the 4 sims.) Which then, Creates new problems with Child Agents so I am told.

Posh Honey.. This is SL, not RL, but even in RL people know to bring the models close up to the audience, not at a stage far away where they have to zoom in.

Dione Jacques.. For the record it is not RL, but even in SL some people know that if you get to close it creates more lag for everyone, (encountering script limited to 10sqm-20sqm range) and because of the draw distance. So to help decrease lag, it is good to zoom in and keep the models alittle further away. Being a model, It's hard to walk with all this lag, so for this purpose being "further away" actually helps keep the model from the audience, creating less lag. And since RL doesnt have zoom, Thank God SL does. This was thought about before building the new DoveVogue, as everything was planned and taken into consideration with The New DoveVogue Studios.

Posh Honey.. Still, her runway stuck out into the audience, and the models got displayed in these clock-like devices that slowly moved them about while electrical charges reigned behind them.

Dione Jacques.. Since the models need to be kept at a distance, I think its great to have them approach the audience alittle. If this is what you mean by sticking out. And what are these "clock-like devices" that slowly moved them about while electrical charges reigned behind them? All models walk without help from such devices, and there is no electrical charges.

Posh Honey.. However, as hard as the people work at putting on those shows, and as much money as the designers put into them, you fashion houses need to stop thinking like real world modeling, and start thinking SL fashion entertainment.

Dione Jacques.. Exactly! I do agree on that, Just cause RL is upclose and personal, and we have troubles pushing the models around with electrical charges, use the zoom! Lets Think SL Fashion Entertainment. We have planned this before we have built, and sad to say, that when there is 40 people in the sim and more waiting to get it, it gets bad. Until the Lindens do something about this, Welcome to SLag FASHION ENTERTAINMENT! And btw, We do not charge designers, money for the shows, it is free for them to showcase there line of clothing and help them get noticed, as well as advertisement for there store locations.

Posh Honey.. If you readers feel the same way, and you offer constructive criticism to someone involved with fashion show production, and they respond "... that's your opinion." don't expect them to change. They are closed minded and don't want, what they consider an outsider, to be offering advice.

Dione Jacques.. If its a good idea, I dont see why not try it. Not everyone is right all the time, and something that helps and makes sense would be great to limit lag. Last time I checked I was "Open Minded" And just cause they are a outsider, doesnt mean we dont listen. Take for example the fashion mall at new DoveVogue, that was a "outsider" who suggested we move all the vendors to opposite side of the property. "Away from the Show" To Reduce Lag. Image that, Like the Models, Away from the crowd. Not only did we do this, But we have added LagFree, None Active Vendors, to help decrease the lag. Everything Is Planned Out In Advance at DoveVogue, Including the Build.

Posh Honey.. We have a great tradition here in SL with our fashion, our fashion shows, and our talented designers. But it is time that the fashion houses stop saying "thats your opinion" and start saying.. "thats a good observation". Think outside the box you fashion production folks. Get the models in the middle of the audience. Get the lag down, and get the production value up. Can all of that be done? The only limits are those of your own creativity.

Dione Jacques.. No This cannot be done, If you want to crash a Sim, Models Not Beable to Move, Clothes Not Rez, Would be a Disaster for anyones show. I wish I came to SL earlier, so i could of seen all the great fashion shows before my time. Palomma has told me all about them, the coordinators, the models, the places, how great they was. One thing I do agree on with this article,there is Lag. It is in every sim, every event, every fashion show, on SL, and on the Internet. It can be alot of factors not just DoveVogue. But most lag experienced is from other Avatars. (Bling, Scripts, Prim Hair etc..) generate more lag than the electrical charges that DoveVogue Produces hehe. I think it was a very bad article, and untrue, and not really researched well enough. Those that agree with her, are being "Closed Minded" about the real Lag in SL, which are avatars. So lets all try to trim things down abit, and fight that Lag Monster Back.

Closing I would like to say, Thank You to everyone that is involved in a fashion show. You know what its like to walk in the lag, change outfits in full sims, not being able to port in after a crash, fall off the stage, to perform for the designer, and all the hours that go into making a one hour show possible. At this time I would like to challenge the great journalist out there, to come out of "these shadows" and start telling us about these shows, the fashions, the fun, a models first show. Instead of crying and complaining about lag. Creating unwanted Drama. Writing one-sided articles that are full of lies and no research.

Look.. Everyone has to deal with "LAG", its just not you. So keep it to yourself and just deal with it. But these fashion shows arent about the textures you put on the stage, or the seats they sit in, or what your packet loss is. Its about bringing the designer closer to the customers, and having a fun time. (Ask any SL Model or Designer) Its a video game after all. RL is very cruel at times, SL should be different. Lets Be Friends, Lets Have Some Fun! Lets Crash the Sim, With Tons of Lag! :)

And Last, I find it funny that everyone is doing this to only DoveVogue. (writing articles, telling lies, bashing the building, all the lag! OMG THE LAG!) Its not any other model agency out there. Palomma has opened DoveVogue to let others, like me, to know what its like to hold a show, to model in a show, that will never get this chance in RL, experience the fun, like she has done in RL. She goes way out of her way to help new people in SL, and is starting to teach again! I wish her only the best and thank her for letting me be apart of DoveVogue. When I think back someday of the great times, It wont be the lag, or seating, I remember. It will be her and all my fellow models, backstage helpers, promoters, designers, people attending the shows and FUN! She doesnt charge the designers for anything, no money, she pays her models for the shows they are in, and doesnt make no money at all doing this. Not to Mention the money for the land it sits on. She does this all for you, the designers, the models, and the "outsiders" who want to see a great SL Fashion Show, and Meet the One and Only Lag Monster hehe. What a Great Girl, A Real Classy Person. I am Honored to stand by my friend thru these rough times, and put a end to these lies and poorly written one-sided articles...

EMBRACE THE LAG MONSTER !
FlipperPA Peregrine
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Join date: 14 Nov 2003
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07-02-2005 07:07
Just a few ideas from an anti-lag fascist:

(1) Feel free to give a scripting wiz an IM in world to have a look. Its possible they can help reduce the lag in a number of ways. For example, if you have furniture with open listens that respond to "show" or "hide" commands, that will significantly increase lag when you have 40 people around all talking. Each time someone talks each and every ball that responds to those commands will have to execute code logic. (This is just one example)

(2) As for events like ones with lots of models, gather your models far, far away at a remote location... another sim. Then have one coordinator at the event location "behind the curtain" and one in the remote location. Have them communicate via instant message and port a single model back and forth between the locations as is necessary.

Granted, (2) isn't as easy as it once was with the new 40 avatar limits, but still possible. I really wish the ability to port people to an event could be tied to sim fps rather than the number of avatars. I also wish it were possible to have scripts in attachments automatically be disabled before limiting the number of avatars. I've seen single avatars with scripts in attachments lower a sim fps from the 250 range to the 30 sim fps range while on Live Help calls. I don't blame them, they just don't understand how much scripts in attachments can lag a sim. One of the biggest offenders are the "proximity" scripts showing balls of which avatars are around you for 96 meters that update twice a second; they consume a LOT of server resources.

I hate to see this kind of bad press and DRAHMA happening, but there are a few hopefully helpful suggestions to help you all out! I've always enjoyed the fashion shows I've been able to attend regardless of lag; I view lag just like beer goggles, it makes everyone more attractive!

Cheers,

-Flip
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Lash Xevious
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Join date: 8 May 2004
Posts: 1,348
07-02-2005 10:23
Oh noes! I used those proximity balls. :o Not anymore though. They lagged me too and also were a visual obstruction. So now, I have no more balls. It's a wonderful thing. :p

As for attending fashion events, if and when I can attend these, I "dress down" for it in consideration for the models. After all, they are the focus of the show not the audience. So I wear simpler attachments (a low-prim wig and maybe a pair of non-scripted shoes), turn off any overriders if I kept them on, and sit in a corner and wait for the show to start. It'd be nice to clap once in a while, but I just play the gesture, not the sound. And particle effects should be off.

It's not fair to assume all the anti-lag responsibility on the hosts, on the sim. Avatars contribute lag as well. I know it sucks to not have a complete look. But if the event is expecting to draw 40-some people, I think the audience should help make the show run as smoothly as it possibly can under such stress. It's for everyone's entertainment.
Ulrika Zugzwang
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Join date: 10 Jun 2004
Posts: 6,382
07-02-2005 10:47
Good gravy. There should be a law against writing posts that long.

Here's a summary using the MacOS Summary Service (MacOS is awesome):
For awhile we have all gotten along, and have had great fashion shows in SL, whether it be DoveVogue, BC Model, TopModel, Stacy Maracas, Mistress Midnight,Torrid Midnight, Aimee Weber, Sensual Casanova, etc..... But this was way to much for me, to sit back and read, and not state some truth here for everyone to read. It is not only you Posh Honey, I have read a article titled "DoveVogue Drama" written by Chipsen Queso of the SecondLife Herald.... The thing that makes me laugh, is both these writers are less than a year old, like me, well only a couple months, and know more than me about modeling and holding fashion shows, sim fps, etc...

...ok I like them more than MOST girls, but if you are worried about lag, you slim down the number of models.

...but if you know anything about lag, and holding fashion shows, you understand that a packed sim of 40 people create a lag monster so terrible it can sometimes crash the sim,or even eat a model hehe.

...For the record it is not RL, but even in SL some people know that if you get to close it creates more lag for everyone, (encountering script limited to 10sqm-20sqm range) and because of the draw distance.... Being a model, It's hard to walk with all this lag, so for this purpose being "further away" actually helps keep the model from the audience, creating less lag.

...Still, her runway stuck out into the audience, and the models got displayed in these clock-like devices that slowly moved them about while electrical charges reigned behind them.

...However, as hard as the people work at putting on those shows, and as much money as the designers put into them, you fashion houses need to stop thinking like real world modeling, and start thinking SL fashion entertainment.

...And btw, We do not charge designers, money for the shows, it is free for them to showcase there line of clothing and help them get noticed, as well as advertisement for there store locations.

...Not everyone is right all the time, and something that helps and makes sense would be great to limit lag.

...No This cannot be done, If you want to crash a Sim, Models Not Beable to Move, Clothes Not Rez, Would be a Disaster for anyones show.

...You know what its like to walk in the lag, change outfits in full sims, not being able to port in after a crash, fall off the stage, to perform for the designer, and all the hours that go into making a one hour show possible. At this time I would like to challenge the great journalist out there, to come out of "these shadows" and start telling us about these shows, the fashions, the fun, a models first show.

...Palomma has opened DoveVogue to let others, like me, to know what its like to hold a show, to model in a show, that will never get this chance in RL, experience the fun, like she has done in RL.... She doesnt charge the designers for anything, no money, she pays her models for the shows they are in, and doesnt make no money at all doing this. Not to Mention the money for the land it sits on. She does this all for you, the designers, the models, and the "outsiders" who want to see a great SL Fashion Show, and Meet the One and Only Lag Monster hehe.



~Ulrika~
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Eboni Khan
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07-02-2005 10:50
What the hell is Pixel Press? Most people dont read this crap on a regular basis, or even know it exists. You did more harm than good by posting about it here, most people would have never known. And can we trust the Jouralistic intregrity of someone named Posh Honey? I think not.
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Dione Jacques
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One Thing I Forgot To Mention
07-02-2005 11:23
I am not saying it is the Sim, So lets Stop That Right Now. I think Its totally the Avatars that Contribute to This Problem that Creates Lag. Lash you are 100% Right, anytime you attend a show you should De-Dress to Help Out. I know I do.

One Thing we are forgetting, well I forgot to Mention, Is the Outfits We are Seeing, They are High Prim Skirts, Hair, Shoes Etc... This doesnt help the Lag at all, But If they wasnt showing The New Designs, Whats the Point of Having a Show.

I understand Eboni, your very Right about that, But as I said, I am tired of this being all Blamed on Palomma, when Its a World Wide Problem. I have heard this over and over again, And Tired of It. What Better Place to Post for All to Read, Than The Forums..

Stop putting this blame on the Lindens, On Palomma, On DoveVogue, and if you want to complain, (1) do some research before you go printing things, (2) look at your av, if you know its going to be bad, think about what you wear first.
Palomma Casanova
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Join date: 5 Apr 2004
Posts: 635
07-02-2005 12:15
It is all my fault that SL lags.... :-(
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Palomma
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07-02-2005 16:25
I'm not sure if any of that was meant to be directed to me - I was just trying to help, heh. The sad fact remains that avatars create more lag than anything else in game, especially those with lots of server-resource-intensive (or badly written) scripts.

This is my favorite SL quote:

"big view land what cause lag club have many walls stop that"

Unfortunately, the quote is not just incomprehensible... its not true either.

Regards,

-Flip