Stomp on them while they are down

Here I am again complaining about something….

Feniks and I have a store in Aqua. We both have land, we both built on this adjoining land, and we both have items for sale on this adjoining land.

In other words…we have a “Group” of two….

As everyone does, we both put out a voting booth to help support the taxes on our sale items as well as the adjoining land.

Today, a Linden deleted my voting booth, saying that it was illegal for us both to have a voting booth, on our adjoining land, with mixed items for sale, that we had BOTH built on, because we had an illegal “voting farm” !?!?

Once again I’m missing something…..by any extreme stretch of the imagination, are not running a voting farm. There comes a time when a little judicious use of common sense will go a long way….

So I am in the predicament of again trying to figure out what to delete so I don’t fall deeper and deeper into tax hell.

Way to go Lindens, keep up the good work. Don’t let anyone get away with anything…..bad users….BAD.


-TK

I recently saw two voters on the same plot right next to each other. But, they had the names of the seperate owners floating above them, I guess that makes it okay.

This just happened to me at my bowling alley. I am very angry. I just had an IM fight with Lee Linden. Lindens, BAD MOVE.

James yells a lot.

I was even thinking about your bowling alley, James. If each voter is owned by seperate residents, they ought to be permitted on the same lot if it is a co-op build.

The same thing happened to me a few weeks back. Skee graciously let me put a vote booth in her store since I build the building for her. I was informed that was a no no and had it deleted. I wasn't a happy camper.

I can see how this rule seems completely unfair and we are open to suggestions for alternative policies. In all the cases cited here I agree that it would be better if the system could allow two vote stations. It's not a perfect system but here are the reasons it was selected.

We wanted a policy that prevents vote booth gaming, is simple to understand, and is enforceable. The problem is that in the past some people have put multiple vote stations around builds that were not created by multiple people. The liaisons who enforce vote station use can't realistically examine each build and make a judgment on what percentage of objects are owned by which owners.

Since the vast majority of builds are done by a single resident, this policy seemed to be the best of many flawed options. We have used it for a couple of months now and the number of complaints about real vote farms seems much lower.

The vote stations are clearly an inperfect system and may be replace by alternate ways to reward good bulders. In the mean time, we welcome your ideas for ways to improve the policy.


The following is the text of the note card guidelines:
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The voting station is a great way to make money in SL!

Place a voting station at a highly visible location at your home. You can get one from any liaison.

When users click on the station, the total number of unique users having clicked is totaled up and sent on a daily basis to Linden. The voting stations with the highest votes will receive cash at the end of each day.

You can see the voting station results each day by reading the "Voting Station Results" thread posted at www.secondlife.com/Community/Forums/Events

Rules
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The purpose of vote stations is to allow residents to reward others for building great things or holding cool events. In order to prevent abuse of this intent, Linden requires everyone to follow these rules.

1) Only one allowed voting station per parcel of land or building site.

2) If you own multiple buildings in different areas, you may set a voting station at each separate property.

3) For a building created by multiple people (such as an apartment complex), place one voting station (typically the landowner's) at the building site. The votes from the station can be divided however you choose, and the group members can vote for the station (except the owner). However, please do not allow group members to each place their own booth at the site.

4) We recognize that some projects may be more confusing than others over what constitutes a single "building site." For the purposes of voting stations, a building site can be loosely defined as a structure and/or property with a unified purpose. Some examples:

* An apartment complex is usually one building site.
* If individual building can be separated and still fulfills the functions of the whole, it is usually considered a separate building site. Thus, a group of apartment complexes run by different people are each separate building sites, not one group building site.
* Buildings within a themed community are typically separate building sites, as they have separate functions even though they follow a common theme. (e.g. tavern, blacksmith shop, stables, etc.)
* In general, any structure comprised of multiple buildings physically connected or built into or onto one another is considered one building site.

We do make effort to handle unique situations on a case-by-case basis. If you have questions regarding the voting station guidelines, please contact a Liaison BEFORE you place your voting booth(s).

If you see vote stations that appear to be outside these rules - please report it through the Abuse option under the Help menu.

Haney, your still not addressing the fact that yes, we have one building site, but we BOTH own land under it....

This does NOT fit any of your examples.


-TK

* In general, any structure comprised of multiple buildings physically connected or built into or onto one another is considered one building site.

Your STILL not addressing the land !!!

If I have a piece of land, I'm allowed to place a voting both on it......if someone else has a plot of land, THEY are alowed to place a voting booth on their land.

Our land touches...a lot of peoples land touches...i don't see the Lindens out deleting voting stations from other people whose land touches !!

And besides, unless it comes from a Linden...it's meaningless

I agree with you Tracey, except that the land parcel can't be the ultimate deciding factor. What if every group could ONLY have 1 voting booth per plot of land? That's 16 voting booths for the whole sim... hmm... I can't think of a more effecient plan though... gah... this depresses me...

The deletion of Tracey's booth is just ridiculous.

It was not a farm, Tracey and I are not farming votes. We are trying to set up commerce.

According to Haney "The problem is that in the past some people have put multiple vote stations around builds that were not created by multiple people. ", this is obviously NOT the issue here.

Some one got a bit delete happy. Isn’t there some quote about the letter of the law vs. the spirit of the law?


fen-

Tracey, we had exactly the same situation a few weeks ago (also in Aqua) - Matina and I both own half of the land our store is built on, so we both put out vote boxes. Mine was deleted. I was not happy

We've come up with a system now where Matina gives me half the income from her vote box, but it doesn't seem right somehow (plus she has to go to some trouble looking back through the posts in the Voting Results thread).

Ok I understand about the one vote to a single build...what if the vote stations were linked directly to a object build. I mean a script that could be placed in both the vote station and the build that would communicate and when a linden went to check...with a command it would beam a stream of light to the object so that they could detect what the vote staitions for. This would allow all players to have several voting boths and people would only vote on what they found appealing.

Just an opinion

Shadow

OK and what if people (who are married in SL) want to be recognised as marital property and they both put effort into the build?

I think it unfair to have 2 people that BOTH work at a build (even if unmarried) having to split the $ that one single person build would get.

Basically this as it is shoots down colaboritive efforts.

I don't.

Why?

Because, you're supposed to vote for the build, not the builder. It shouldn't matter whether it was built by one person or 50. The build either deserves my vote or it doesn't.

If 5 people get together and build a umm, park, do you honestly believe that park deserves more money than a nearly identical park built buy a single person?

If the build is going to suck up twice the money from the economy, then I say it needs to deserve twice the votes.

Not the builders, the build itself.

Once more, for good measure:

So Schwartz, let me see if I get what your saying......

All of the theme commumities, such a Venice because it is a connected build, should have one voting station, and the 15 or 20 poeple should all split the 6 to 8 votes we get.!?!?!

Like I said before, and posted here for good measure;




-TK

Read Haney's post. Look at the rules. Reading comprehension is fun!

Schwartz, I'm not going to respond to your post and if I post here again, it will be the receipe for Kalua pig. When you resort to personal attacks, it's time to quit.


Tracey

mmmm.... recipes. *drools*
Vote farming is a non issue. Whether people have their voting stations right next to each other or on different sides of the world, there will still be a group of people who go around the world daily voting for their friends. I am on a couple of those voting lists, though I never requested to be added, and do not return the favor.
As I discussed at great lengths with a certain Linden friend of mine, votes and ratings are silly, because by now everyone should be aware that community-based systems do not scale beyond a certain point where communities lose the cohesion available to them on smaller scales, that such systems are easily abused, and suffer from the well known problem that 90% of people are apathetic idiots who just want to be left alone with their beer and teevee.
Oh, and btw, my friend did agree with me, but said the upper Lindens never listened =)

Schwartz,

I believe either you missed or are ignoring one thing in Haney's statement.

" In general, any structure comprised of multiple buildings physically connected or built into or onto one another is considered one building site."

We are not discussing generalities here.


fen-

Passes eggy a flak jacket and waits for the fallout.

Well I am one of those that has Eggy on her vote list, and maybe Eggs doesn't return it but he is generous in many other ways. So to each his own way of showing respect and friendship.

I personally like to vote, I always meet new people or say hi to old friends. And when someone flys by my place to vote for a friend, they often stop to admire my place and throw me a vote too.