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Non transfer hair

Rhapsody Rutherford
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Join date: 4 Apr 2004
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06-04-2005 13:31
As I look through the over 300 hairstyles I have purchased during my second life, half of which I no longer wear and some I didnt like after buying them, I have to wonder why a designer would make them non transfer. I understand if you make them copy that non trans would be the way to go. But honestly Id much rather have a style non copy and be able to give, sell, or trade the style when I have finished wearing it. Especially since most non transfer hairs are very expensive. If I pay for it I want it to be mine to do with as I please. I know I can delete them but to me that is such a waste when others cannot afford 500 linden hair and id much rather be able to give or sell it to them at a much cheaper price, and then go buy more hair hahahahah. So my question to designers is this.. Is there a reason you do this and I am just now aware of it. And to other consumers Id like to know if youd rather a hairstyle be transferable or copy.
Maeve Morgan
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Join date: 2 Apr 2004
Posts: 1,512
06-04-2005 13:33
I like copyable hair so I can change the color and texture at my whim without wrecking the original hair. I can just mod a copy.
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06-04-2005 13:35
From: Rhapsody Rutherford
As I look through the over 300 hairstyles I have purchased ....

:eek:
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Hethr Engel
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Join date: 30 Sep 2004
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06-04-2005 13:37
I know that I personally would rather have a mod/copy/no transfer as there are a few hair designers I can no longer buy without mod permissions. Their heads seem to be much larger than mine and it looks very funny on me, if I can't stretch it smaller. I don't think I am the only one with this problem as it is a big world and every avie looks different. Also I like the fact that with a copy hair I can keep several colors around. I think most hair is quite reasonably priced so that if I only wear it a few times I have still gotten my money's worth. Also maybe if more people did what Lash has done with her demo's that would help with buying hair and then hating it on your avie. That is just my opinion on why I really hope more go with the copy/mod/no transfer option. The one option I hate is no mod/ no transfer. If I can't transfer it I would like to be able to make it fit my head perfectly.
Rhapsody Rutherford
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Join date: 4 Apr 2004
Posts: 26
06-04-2005 14:52
Interesting. I agree with you about the demos. I love Lash hair and I appreciate being able to see what it will look like before I buy it.
Reitsuki Kojima
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Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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06-04-2005 15:03
I would /always/ prefer Copy/No Trans, for anything.
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Rhapsody Rutherford
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Join date: 4 Apr 2004
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06-04-2005 15:46
and when you no longer have use for the object youve purchased you then just delete it or keep it in your inventory? Thankyou for the responses btw..
Reitsuki Kojima
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06-04-2005 15:58
From: Rhapsody Rutherford
and when you no longer have use for the object youve purchased you then just delete it or keep it in your inventory? Thankyou for the responses btw..


Keep it. Never know when you might want it again.
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Roberta Dalek
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Join date: 21 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,174
06-04-2005 15:58
I think if it's not mod then having it copy/no transfer is just rude.

Some things benefit from being copy/no trans like buildings and vehicles. Some things are better no copy/trans.
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Rhapsody Rutherford
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Join date: 4 Apr 2004
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06-04-2005 16:45
OK.. Let me say I started the thread about hair .. I understand the reasoning for buildings and such although i still dont like not being able to transfer items that Ive paid for. But for items like hair or clothing that I know I will never use again, and am unable to try before I buy Id like to have the option. Im wondering if any of the major designers would be willing if asked to sell a version that was non copy/transferable..
Roberta Dalek
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06-04-2005 16:59
Clothing loads do. I certainly sell all mine mod/transfer.
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Liberty Tesla
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Join date: 1 Sep 2003
Posts: 173
06-04-2005 18:44
Given that when I drag a new output onto myself, all my existing attachments go away, including my hair... it's nice to be able to put a copy of the hair in the folder with the outfit. And as someone else said, it's nice to be able to tweak the color of a hair item, yet still have a copy of the intact original. Fortunately, most hair designers seem to understand and agree.

(Now if only the prim shoe designers felt the same way...)
Reitsuki Kojima
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Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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06-04-2005 19:28
From: Rhapsody Rutherford
OK.. Let me say I started the thread about hair .. I understand the reasoning for buildings and such although i still dont like not being able to transfer items that Ive paid for. But for items like hair or clothing that I know I will never use again, and am unable to try before I buy Id like to have the option. Im wondering if any of the major designers would be willing if asked to sell a version that was non copy/transferable..


Like Liberty said, its nice with clothing and attachments too, because you can make outfit folders with clothing and just drag-drop those, rather than having to hunt for each piece of clothing.
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Susie Boffin
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Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 2,151
06-04-2005 20:37
This is a little off the topic but I don't understand why anyone would sell no mod hair or anything else for that matter. Most things in SL are made for giants and are unusable for us normal size people unless we can modify them. I have learned my lesson the hard way.
Pol Tabla
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Join date: 18 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,041
06-04-2005 20:55
"Non Transfer Hair" is a good name for a band.
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Alexa Hope
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Join date: 8 Dec 2004
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06-05-2005 00:40
I bought a very expensive skin which looks horrible on me. Why did that have to be set no transfer? I can't even give it away, let alone sell it in a yard sale.

Alexa
Sparkle Skye
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Join date: 27 Oct 2004
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06-05-2005 00:46
I also prefer no transfer copy mod, I buy so much hair and I want to be able to mix and match colors. Even if a designer offers some colors they arent always what I want.
Nikolaii Uritsky
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Join date: 30 Dec 2004
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06-05-2005 01:14
I, too, vote for Copy/No Transfer on hair and clothing, because I hate dropping a folder on myself and discovering that I'm naked from the waist down or hairless... But, I agree, it is frustrating when you spend so much money on something you're never going to use.

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Lash Xevious
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Join date: 8 May 2004
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06-05-2005 12:40
Mod/Copy/No transfer works for me with hair, jewelry, shoes, anything primmy. But if it is no copy, I still want the mod option in place.

As a hair designer, I used to sell my stuff as no copy. But always kept the mod intact, unless a customer later on asks me to make it no mod. That only happened once.

But making my items no copy left a lot of my customers nervous to tweak the wigs themselves. So I got a lot of requests to do simple things like recolour hair, or nudge the wig down for people, cuz they were nervous to alter the only copy they had. It took one customer to tell me, "if they were copyable, I would tweak them with no worry about screwing it up."

That's when I started to consider the mod/copy/notransfer option. I was always wary to make my stuff no transfer because I didn't want anyone to buy my items and hate them cuz they weren't able to see how they look on them.

But I weighed the advantages: customers can make copies, they can modify them and keep the original intact, equaling less requests for me to assist in simple tweaking, and when I did refit wigs there was no more exchanging items, I just drop the right one on them. The drawbacks were: I'd lose customers who refuse to buy no transfer items, lose customers who want to buy the hair as a gift, refunds and exchanges could hurt my sales, and buyer's remorse.

My main concern for the drawbacks was buyer's remorse. I used to play in There and I would spend hours trying on stuff. And I wish we had that option in SL already built in for us. But we don't. We have to make some version of it using what we have.

But how? There were scripts I could use, to make temp on rez wigs, but an exploit was pointed out on that option. I was rattling my brain trying to decide how I could provide DEMOs without actually giving the real wig away. But at the same time, provide an opportunity for someone to make an informed purchase.

So I came up with the Dorky Demo hair (which I'm gradually making look less dorky :p). It was meant to be a trial thing, but it actually worked. I thought what was the most important thing one needs to know about buying hair? For me, it'd be: does it fit, and if it doesn't, how much do I have to tweak to get it to fit? Also, for the newer person, the DEMOs could show them that what they were purchasing would be an attachment and an AV hairbase.

Once I got the DEMO thing figured out, I then encountered an issue with showing the actual hair to people. I couldn't be on-call all the time to teleport to someone and wear the hair for them. So, I dropped a wig and a mannequin in my store and in other places where I had the prim allotment for it. Granted it's only a couple wigs, but I'm working on getting everything on display. Just like in Washu's hair salon and what Neph did when she had hair for sale.

I don't want to sell my hair as no mod. Cuz that'd mean more work and/or more prims to sell coloured variations. And personally, my first hair purchase was a modifable/copyable wig. What I learned from tweaking those wigs, I have used and improved on now. If someone can learn from what I have out there, then I'm doing something right. LOL

With the worries of having someone rip off one's hard work, I can see why some designers choose no mod or no transfer or both. Most of them compensate for the no mod by providing variations of their product. But I think once permissions system is improved and long requested changes are finally made, you will see a lot of designers enabling their items with more freedom for the user.

Sorry that this post is long. I went off on a tangent a couple of times. :o But for the most part, I've just let everyone get a glimpse into the workings of my warped mind. :p
Jonquille Noir
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Join date: 17 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,025
06-05-2005 13:13
I prefer hair to be Mod/Copy/No Transfer as well. I've altered almost every hairstyle I've purchased, not just resized and/or recolored, but taken them apart to make different styles, and in some cases, I've utterly ruined it. Had it been No Copy, I'd be out the money for the product, or too afraid to experiment.

I've had several people ask where I got the long sleek bangs I use when I wear my usual white hair.. They're pieces of one of Lash's styles that I took apart, copied the appropriate pieces, and put back together to fit my hairstyle. I couldn't have done that with No Copy.

If you have hair attachments you've 'grown out of' try changing them to something you'd like better. I'll never have the patience to make hair myself, but I like taking apart those I buy and seeing what I can come up with.
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Rhapsody Rutherford
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Join date: 4 Apr 2004
Posts: 26
06-05-2005 16:48
Thankyou for the responses, and I actually did start mixing and matching yesterday and came up with some really cool and unique styles. Thankyou for the suggestion.
PetGirl Bergman
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Join date: 16 Feb 2005
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06-05-2005 23:13
I click ”wear” spontaneous at different ”hairs” and gets a lot of mixed surprises.. some good some excellent some XXXXXX - and I have fun -my BF have fun and al other have fun.. seeing me.-))))