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Jonahs Benton
for president!
Join date: 14 Sep 2005
Posts: 20
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09-14-2005 06:51
My motivation for writing this is that my 15 year old son fell in love with SL as soon as he say what I was doing in it. obviously we signed him up with the teen version. All the features are great! We love the features. Especially the fact that at 10:00 he is automatically logged out! OK now my suggestion...
Why not put them together. You have lands that are mature. Any teen user would not have permission to go into those lands. Just like the real world! Keep all teen features the same. In the real world a teenager cant go into a bar?!? This would enable me to enjoy this awesome game with my son. I have to think there are others out there like me who enjoy doing these types of things with there kids. Or maybe I'm just thinking of myself....  |
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Strife Onizuka
Moonchild
Join date: 3 Mar 2004
Posts: 5,887
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09-14-2005 07:06
The trouble is federal law is really strict when it comes to chat rooms for minors. The only way i can imagine this working is if the minor is chained to a verified guardian of the minor.
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Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 7,939
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09-14-2005 07:38
The trouble is federal law is really strict when it comes to chat rooms for minors. The only way i can imagine this working is if the minor is chained to a verified guardian of the minor.
That's actually a great idea. But I would still want to introduce a new sim rating stricter than PG. I live in a PG sim and there is no shortage of sex balls and cursing. LL does a piss poor job of enforcing their standards - I have actually reported some items such as a clear depiction of nudity and no action was taken. _____________________
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Dianne Mechanique
Back from the Dead
Join date: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 2,648
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09-14-2005 08:06
My motivation for writing this is that my 15 year old son fell in love with SL as soon as he say what I was doing in it. obviously we signed him up with the teen version. All the features are great! We love the features. Especially the fact that at 10:00 he is automatically logged out! OK now my suggestion... Why not put them together. You have lands that are mature. Any teen user would not have permission to go into those lands. Just like the real world! Keep all teen features the same. In the real world a teenager cant go into a bar?!? This would enable me to enjoy this awesome game with my son. I have to think there are others out there like me who enjoy doing these types of things with there kids. Or maybe I'm just thinking of myself.... and if I had kids I would let them lay on the main grid also. An "SL Education" would probably do the kid a great deal more good than any public school or RL social situation could. The trouble is, a lot of kids are not going to be up to the responsibility and a lot of adults are just going to start preying on the kiddies. I would suggest (and I have seen this done), that you just bring the kid on anyway, but chaperone them while they are there. And by chaperone I mean actually be *with* them 24/7 or as long as they are on the grid. I have met a couple of kids this way, with an obvious "parent" standing off to one side, not intruding, but making sure that nothing weird happens. The ones I have met genereally seem to me to be sort of "whiz-kids" or whatever though, with more than their share of responsible attitudes and adult behaviour as well as a great deal of confidence and smarts. To let a "regular" kid loose on the main grid (especially unsupervised), is generally not going to end well and may get you both banned, but if you think your kid can handle it, I would say just do it anyway. _____________________
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Introvert Petunia
over 2 billion posts
Join date: 11 Sep 2004
Posts: 2,065
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09-14-2005 08:27
... I have actually reported some items such as a clear depiction of nudity and no action was taken. I love to take my daughter to the art museum but it is so tedious covering her eyes every few minutes. Where's John Ashcroft when I need him? _____________________
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AJ DaSilva
woz ere
Join date: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 1,993
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09-14-2005 08:35
Yeah, really what the hell's wrong with nudity?
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ZsuZsanna Raven
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Join date: 19 Dec 2004
Posts: 2,361
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09-14-2005 09:18
Yeah, really what the hell's wrong with nudity? If nudity were so bad, we would have all been born wearing 3 piece suits... _____________________
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
Posts: 6,734
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09-14-2005 09:19
but we all know kids don't get naughty bits 'til they turn 18
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ZsuZsanna Raven
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Join date: 19 Dec 2004
Posts: 2,361
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09-14-2005 09:33
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Travis Lambert
White dog, red collar
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
Posts: 2,819
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09-14-2005 09:52
I'm against this idea for two reasons:
1. One does not need to be present, or even in the same sim to grief. Think "Self-guided missles". Not only would I not want a Teen in my Mature/PG sim - I wouldn't want one of their objects to be able to even enter my sim. I wouldn't want their shouts to carry through across a sim line either, or their particles, or their sound effects. Granted, some teens are mature, responsibile individuals. But I think its fair to say that the likelyhood that a kid under 18 would be prone to griefing is much greater than it is for those over 18. Until Linden provides us useful tools to actually prevent grief before it happens, I think its best that the grids remain seperate for that reason alone. 2. Predators. Kids under 18 can be a target for all sorts of unsavory individuals. While I'd probably be more comfortable with my 17 year old kid - there is no way that I'd want my 13 year old exposed to adults in a world like this unsupervised. Exposure doesn't have to be face-to-face either... an adult preying on a kid is a simple IM away. Yep, you can't protect kids from everything. Younger kids can be in harms way even in RL - walking to the park to go skateboarding. The difference is - the internet, and the metaverse - contains a degree of anonymity that doesn't exist in RL. And its that anonymity that provides preadators with a boldness they wouldn't feel otherwise. I'd just rather not throw caution to the wind and take that chance. _____________________
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ZsuZsanna Raven
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Join date: 19 Dec 2004
Posts: 2,361
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09-14-2005 09:54
I'm against this idea for two reasons: 1. One does not need to be present, or even in the same sim to grief. Think "Self-guided missles". Not only would I not want a Teen in my Mature/PG sim - I wouldn't want one of their objects to be able to even enter my sim. I wouldn't want their shouts to carry through across a sim line either, or their particles, or their sound effects. Granted, some teens are mature, responsibile individuals. But I think its fair to say that the likelyhood that a kid under 18 would be prone to griefing is much greater than it is for those over 18. Until Linden provides us useful tools to actually prevent grief before it happens, I think its best that the grids remain seperate for that reason alone. 2. Predators. Kids under 18 can be a target for all sorts of unsavory individuals. While I'd probably be more comfortable with my 17 year old kid - there is no way that I'd want my 13 year old exposed to adults in a world like this unsupervised. Exposure doesn't have to be face-to-face either... an adult preying on a kid is a simple IM away. Yep, you can't protect kids from everything. Younger kids can be in harms way even in RL - walking to the park to go skateboarding. The difference is - the internet, and the metaverse - contains a degree of anonymity that doesn't exist in RL. And its that anonymity that provides preadators with a boldness they wouldn't feel otherwise. I'd just rather not throw caution to the wind and take that chance. Yeah, what he said... _____________________
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Ghoti Nyak
καλλιστι
Join date: 7 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,078
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09-14-2005 11:37
Please see the thread "No Kids in the real SL, EVER!" for the long, drawn out discussion on this topic.
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Hiro Pendragon
bye bye f0rums!
Join date: 22 Jan 2004
Posts: 5,905
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09-14-2005 12:05
Please see the thread "No Kids in the real SL, EVER!" for the long, drawn out discussion on this topic. -Ghoti Second that notion. _____________________
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Iron Perth
Registered User
Join date: 9 Mar 2005
Posts: 802
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09-14-2005 13:03
I think it would be nice if I could log in to the teen grid when my daughter logs on, and be logged off automatically when she logs off.
If someone were trying to sneak onto the grid, I doubt they would bother with the trouble of creating a seperate account and having to log it on from a seperate computer just to log into the teen grid. They'd probably just log in as their teen! However, SL might want to mark my avatar as a guardian. Somehow I doubt my daughter would be too happy with a rather un-cool guardian avatar hanging out with her.. _____________________
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Madame Maracas
Not who you think I am...
Join date: 7 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,953
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09-14-2005 13:37
All really great points, both sides of the fence, and certainly in that rather looooong thread, so maybe there IS a way to let P's & kids hang.
What about a "family grid"? G rated Linden Monitored Not open access Only "kids" when with their registered Parental Unit (as we called them when I was a teen, PU's) Parents (guardians, whomever it is that signed them up) only allowed access WITH their Teens. This way, it's only used for familial fun time together, don't have unescorted teens OR adults there. Yes I know it's another build and all, but what if it was a secondary membership fee, like tier? I'm not a parent but I'm an aunt many times over and I worry about this stuff, I've met a few predators here and there IRL and they're damn crafty. This wouldn't remove all possibilities of wrong-doers but it would make it tougher. Plus the Linden folks would also be around to be sure things are cool for all. Sometimes it's not cool to be with "the P's", but sometimes a kid would really like to hang w/them just the same. Just a thought. _____________________
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Almarea Lumiere
Registered User
Join date: 6 May 2004
Posts: 258
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09-14-2005 14:24
But I think its fair to say that the likelyhood that a kid under 18 would be prone to griefing is much greater than it is for those over 18. Discriminating against an entire class of people based on the actions of a few of them is bigotry. I know that the law supports this kind of discrimination, but it still steams me. |
