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Philip Linden: The addition of this kind of a feature is likely to make all of SL grow faster, and additionally this is the sort of things that if we didn't do, a competitor of SL would.
Philip Linden: If we fail to add features to SL that make sense, we will risk losing everything we have all worked for to competitors.
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Brace Coral
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08-30-2005 22:51
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Eboni Khan
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08-30-2005 22:55
What is the point of this thread?
The list is extremely long since SL has to compete with other products that are entirely different from SL. |
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CrystalShard Foo
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08-30-2005 22:57
Actually... some competition is going to show up, and sooner then you think.
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Delpha Deckard
Just a Geek
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08-30-2005 23:06
Behind everything and everyone, stands something much better. It's only a matter of time that SL get's stepped on, hard. Oh, and that really care about their customers.
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Enabran Templar
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08-30-2005 23:08
Keeping oneself competitive is a good idea no matter what the marketplace looks like. If you let your product stagnate today, it makes it that much easier for a competitor to put together a much more compelling solution tomorrow. That there isn't a carbon copy of SL right now doesn't make Philip's points on competition any less valid.
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Khamon Fate
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08-30-2005 23:18
There are none and there very likely won't be. THERE has recently repackaged their neighborhoods in a fashion similar to SL estates. But that's probably the only other crew that'll ever be interested in hosting a single world on a single grid supported by a single asset system. Imagine every flight on the planet relying on one airline, or every television signal being transmitted through one set of satellites owned by one country's government, or every page on the web being hosted at one colo facility owned by one corporation.
Future worlds will be collections of independently owned grids operated by businesses, schools, governements and private citizens. They'll border each other by mutual agreement and link by simple shortcut browsing. The client will be standardized. Premium grids will have a no cost area you can port to and experience a preview environment before you decide whether you want to subscribe to the service or not. Fees will be cleared using APIs and online credit just as we do on the 2D web now. Second life will still be around because it'll be fun and entertaining and huge, one big party club tringo festival of well whatever. There will be no direct competition because there'll be no money to be made by trying to cater to everybody as the end all to everything in streaming virtual world technology. Look at it this way. Mister Blingy Homemaker comes to SL and is totally wowed by his ability create his ideal 3D environment. He builds it, they come, a group coaleses then suddenly the environment is invaded by griefers and tall flashy towers on neighboring lots. Mister Homemaker has his friends and his ideals. If he can start assembling his own grid with his own approval list and his own rules, he has no more need for SL or The Central Grid All Hail The Central Grid. The same scenario applys to artists and developers as well. The only people who need huge centralized (trapped) audiences are entertainers. So at the very least, SL will be filled with games and sex and Lindens doing everything possible to provide the kind of entertainment that'll keep you there a while before you browse off into the real world. It'll be like Disney World! Oh is that a trademark violation? Sorry. _____________________
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Jarod Godel
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08-31-2005 07:46
Please list them here. _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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08-31-2005 07:57
I think there is a difference between competitor and a comparitive product
All the MMOG's are competitors (the EQ/WOW/AO/Eve/COH/FF/etc) In addition other games that arent massive multiplayer, but draw people of certain interests are competitors to a degree - SIMs 2 comes to mind , though in reality most of the PC/MAC entertainment industry depending on how inclusive your definition is. As far as comparitive product - perhaps "There" is closest? And of course there will be comparitive proiducts in the future - any sucessful business will have its imitators. I imagine activeworlds could claim SL is an imitator to some extent. |
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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08-31-2005 08:05
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Pham Neutra
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08-31-2005 09:16
There are none and there very likely won't be. THERE has recently repackaged their neighborhoods in a fashion similar to SL estates. But that's probably the only other crew that'll ever be interested in hosting a single world on a single grid supported by a single asset system. Imagine every flight on the planet relying on one airline, or every television signal being transmitted through one set of satellites owned by one country's government, or every page on the web being hosted at one colo facility owned by one corporation. Of course this future internet will not be monolithic/monopolistic ... Future worlds will be collections of independently owned grids operated by businesses, schools, governements and private citizens. They'll border each other by mutual agreement and link by simple shortcut browsing. The client will be standardized. Premium grids will have a no cost area you can port to and experience a preview environment before you decide whether you want to subscribe to the service or not. Fees will be cleared using APIs and online credit just as we do on the 2D web now. And not every subgrid will be build in a company-owned fashion. I see a lot of content created by users (metaverse residents) who might be interested in "creation" but not in hosting these platforms. They will need hosted services. A lot of content in the web (most of the rapidly growing blogosphere) today is build on hosted services. No competition? Depends very much on the definition of the term and the market you see SL in - longterm. |
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Frans Charming
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08-31-2005 09:21
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blaze Spinnaker
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08-31-2005 09:22
Interesting analysis, Khamon.
What about the Book of Xenon? Have you read the reviews? There are none and there very likely won't be. THERE has recently repackaged their neighborhoods in a fashion similar to SL estates. But that's probably the only other crew that'll ever be interested in hosting a single world on a single grid supported by a single asset system. Imagine every flight on the planet relying on one airline, or every television signal being transmitted through one set of satellites owned by one country's government, or every page on the web being hosted at one colo facility owned by one corporation. Future worlds will be collections of independently owned grids operated by businesses, schools, governements and private citizens. They'll border each other by mutual agreement and link by simple shortcut browsing. The client will be standardized. Premium grids will have a no cost area you can port to and experience a preview environment before you decide whether you want to subscribe to the service or not. Fees will be cleared using APIs and online credit just as we do on the 2D web now. Second life will still be around because it'll be fun and entertaining and huge, one big party club tringo festival of well whatever. There will be no direct competition because there'll be no money to be made by trying to cater to everybody as the end all to everything in streaming virtual world technology. Look at it this way. Mister Blingy Homemaker comes to SL and is totally wowed by his ability create his ideal 3D environment. He builds it, they come, a group coaleses then suddenly the environment is invaded by griefers and tall flashy towers on neighboring lots. Mister Homemaker has his friends and his ideals. If he can start assembling his own grid with his own approval list and his own rules, he has no more need for SL or The Central Grid All Hail The Central Grid. The same scenario applys to artists and developers as well. The only people who need huge centralized (trapped) audiences are entertainers. So at the very least, SL will be filled with games and sex and Lindens doing everything possible to provide the kind of entertainment that'll keep you there a while before you browse off into the real world. It'll be like Disney World! Oh is that a trademark violation? Sorry. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
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Kelly Linden
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08-31-2005 14:48
When you run a business you always think about and plan for competitors. Potential competitors include every person who has enough resources to create a competing product or service. So you think about how much money/time/people that is and thus who that is, what features of your product or service are the minimum they would have to implement to compete, what could they do differently that would put you at a loss to them.
When we are poised to take over the world what features will the product released by {insert entity here} to thwart us have that could block our conquest? We need those features implemented now. It's much better to implement the features of your competitors before the competitors product exist than after they have been built and are stealing your customers. _____________________
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Blueman Steele
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Why I look at competition
08-31-2005 22:17
While it's more people that keep me in a MMOG (note the G does NOT mean "game".. it's uhm... g... uh. growing-comunity.. .ive.. ny.. ness.)
the people that choose to stay are based on the features. While original ideas are usually better than adapting others.. it doesn't hurt to look at what others are doing. There is very good list here http://www.virtualworldsreview.com/ hmm though it totally leaves out... http://sociolotron.amerabyte.com/ |
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Catherine Cotton
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Join date: 2 Apr 2003
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09-01-2005 06:21
When you run a business you always think about and plan for competitors. Potential competitors include every person who has enough resources to create a competing product or service. So you think about how much money/time/people that is and thus who that is, what features of your product or service are the minimum they would have to implement to compete, what could they do differently that would put you at a loss to them. When we are poised to take over the world what features will the product released by {insert entity here} to thwart us have that could block our conquest? We need those features implemented now. It's much better to implement the features of your competitors before the competitors product exist than after they have been built and are stealing your customers. then i would higly suggest you put the word "game" back in your product as well. Since if ppl are to leave, they would leave for some place that was fun. game = fun /end cynic _____________________
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