http://secondlife.com/land/rental.php
Wheeeeee, what next. Are they going to start selling airplanes and cars?
How come I can't save my sim and restore it after someone has used it? eh?
Can't compete with God, that's for sure.
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blaze Spinnaker
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10-01-2005 09:10
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Jonquille Noir
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10-01-2005 09:11
They've been doing it for a long time. No breaking news here.
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Dnate Mars
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10-01-2005 09:12
Where have you been? This has been around forever now. I posted a link to this many moons ago. I remember bring this up as an additional sink that SL has. They are also renting out the combat sims too! _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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10-01-2005 09:16
Completely missed it. Do you have a link?
Anyways, the point is that this is yet another incursion into businesses pioneered by residents. But, I suppose, this may be a sink which could be to the benefit of everyone. |
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Jonquille Noir
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10-01-2005 09:23
Remember Lynn Lippman's huge Swap Meet style events? The original, and also the Prehistoric themed? Those were done on rented sims. It's been around forever.
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10-01-2005 09:42
But, I suppose, this may be a sink which could be to the benefit of everyone. Yup, that's what I've heard. They do this as a sink to help stabilize the Linden. _____________________
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10-01-2005 11:42
I just read that Linden Lab is intending to provide "Sun", "Moon", and "Stars" features in their Second Life® Platform; Linden Lab will charge customers around US$10 to access these features.
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Cristiano Midnight
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10-01-2005 12:11
Anyways, the point is that this is yet another incursion into businesses pioneered by residents. How is it an incursion into business pioneered by residents if LL has been renting out sims for various things for events since the beginning? Now if LL makes it so you can rent private islands on a monthly basis, or pay ongoing rental on plots of mainland land instead of owning it, then that is different, but still their right to do. This is not news at all, or anything close to what you said it is. _____________________
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Jonquille Noir
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10-01-2005 12:55
I just read that Linden Lab is intending to provide "Sun", "Moon", and "Stars" features in their Second Life® Platform; Linden Lab will charge customers around US$10 to access these features. Hahaha! _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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10-01-2005 13:06
How is it an incursion into business pioneered by residents if LL has been renting out sims for various things for events since the beginning? Now if LL makes it so you can rent private islands on a monthly basis, or pay ongoing rental on plots of mainland land instead of owning it, then that is different, but still their right to do. This is not news at all, or anything close to what you said it is. It's a good point. Not sure how I missed it. |
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blaze Spinnaker
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10-01-2005 13:24
In fact, the Lindens' rentals of the combat sim is a direct slam against residents' business, and knowingly so. More than a month ago, I purchased a sim, Tethys, and opened it up for free combat. I haven't had time to advertise it, but "rent" is only a one-time $50 fee and $10/day -- a symbolic gesture. I put it in what I call the SL Public Land Preserve, 100,000 m2 of various fun activities, wilderness, preserved builds, free vending, etc. THen Hiro Pendragon raised the need for combat sims on his blog; then somebody else put it on a Linden hotline the Lindens said they'd look into it -- I wrote them that I had an open free combat mature sim already. to draw off all these fighting kids who are cluttering up the grid with fights and getting into the police blotter. I started a combat sim myself -- first a half sim as an experiment in Alope for one group of role-players -- because I needed a place for my shooting tenants to go instead of having to be booted. I started a combat sim myself -- first a half sim as an experiment in Alope for one group of role-players -- because I needed a place for my shooting tenants to go instead of having to be booted. I wrote specifically and individually to Robin that I had a combat sim as did Sensual -- oh well, it got ignored. I realize that the Lindens are here to create excellent content that displaces my less-than-excellent content and that I need to compete with them in God mode just like I need to compete with fellow residents also in wannabee-God mode -- that's our world. Not sure if it's in the right order. They're all email IMs. Anyways, the point I think is made. Beware of Lindens Competing Against You. |
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blaze Spinnaker
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10-01-2005 13:28
It *is* a good point.
Basically, if anything remotely looks to be important or profitable, LL is going to move in and take over. I think one good thing to be said about this, I suppose, is that we never have to worry about competing with professionals because there is no way in heck they're going to seriously set up shop in a place where everything you do gets co-opted. |
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Cocoanut Koala
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10-01-2005 13:52
Well, let's see. You just got me to thinking, so I'm only half-serious here, too. Just thinking outloud.
But let's say they DID want a piece of the vehicle business. They might approach Cubey, or someone else in the business, and set up a deal with them. LL provides the promotion and the specialness - either here, or in some private Sims, and gets a cut in return. That is what is happening now in the private Sims, like Stagecoach. (Except the cut is actually being given to the players, while LL profits from the main contract.) But would it be profitable enough to them to promote other things within SL proper, to other SL residents? Such as a vehicle company, a rental service, a housing builder, shoe designer, etc.? Surely not. The shopping sites - yes. But are there any others I'm not thinking of besides money exchange and shopping? coco _____________________
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Dnate Mars
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10-01-2005 14:07
Completely missed it. Do you have a link? Anyways, the point is that this is yet another incursion into businesses pioneered by residents. But, I suppose, this may be a sink which could be to the benefit of everyone. I know I said it here, and I am sure I posted it at least on other time, but I don't have the like to that one. This was all about the same time anyway. I think they just listed on the web site, but you could always do it before. It was something like that. _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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10-01-2005 16:46
Yeah, I've never read it before. I still think they're being dismissive of efforts already done by residents here.
This is a pretty nasty trend, I must say. |
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Forseti Svarog
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10-01-2005 17:30
Basically, if anything remotely looks to be important or profitable, LL is going to move in and take over. i still disagree with this, and am just not as afraid of the "slippery slope" as you seem to be Blaze. LL should be allowed to expand the technical platform (i.e. GOM argument) and they should be able to experiment with land issues -- land is, after all, their bread and butter. This is a far cry from competing against in-world content like clothes, vehicles, clubs, chinatown or Jeffery Gomez's latest game. They may build an SLExchange type system or an in-world advertising system or a new tree engine or a contract-record system, and these would compete against resident created businesses but I see innovations like that which enhance the platform as outside their promise not to compete with resident content. |
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Torley Linden
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10-01-2005 18:28
This is a far cry from competing against in-world content like clothes, vehicles, clubs, chinatown or Jeffery Gomez's latest game. Yes, one thing that came to mind: ROAM, which is substantial, and which fascinatingly pushes against the system as LL has it set up. For them to cannibalize that would mean moves towards P2P TP which we've not seen yet. Or, on a related note, MetaAdverse. Advertising inworld, Linden-style, is done by way of ye olde Telehubs, setups in Linden areas like the WA, and through official system tools like Message Of The Day but doesn't tromp over Residents's schtuff, otherwise. _____________________
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Martin Magpie
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10-01-2005 20:02
Completely missed it. Do you have a link? Anyways, the point is that this is yet another incursion into businesses pioneered by residents. But, I suppose, this may be a sink which could be to the benefit of everyone. Well Blaze your half right realy, LL now renting out the combat sims Jesse in particular; is new. Since it is part of the history of SL "The War In Jesse" written by Hamlet Linden many moons ago. Yes they once rented an entire sim to Lynn Lippman and friends, for a flea market she had, now that was a fun time  So yes there have been recent additions to renting entire sims.Mar |
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Lisse Livingston
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10-01-2005 20:13
All land in SL is rented to us by LL. The purchase price is akin to a "non-refundable deposit" (although you can sell your land, effectively passing this deposit on to the next tenant) and your tier fee is your rent.
Resident landlords are just sub-letting their land. _____________________
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Martin Magpie
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10-01-2005 20:21
All land in SL is rented to us by LL. The purchase price is akin to a "non-refundable deposit" (although you can sell your land, effectively passing this deposit on to the next tenant) and your tier fee is your rent. Resident landlords are just sub-letting their land. Yes that of couse is the ending truth in this. Good point. No one owns LL virtual dirt Mar |
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blaze Spinnaker
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10-01-2005 20:22
When I talk with other developers these days, the first issue that always arises on a new project seems to be ..
"Is LL going to co-opt this somehow?" And btw, LL has co-opted content I sell. The library just gets more and more expansive every month. I have to admit, when I come up with a cool new idea, my biggest fear always seems to be how LL is going to either make my life impossible or is going to steal my ideas. |
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Siggy Romulus
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10-01-2005 21:17
90% of what I make comes into being because of what I see as shortfalls in the system.. I usually have a lot of customers - so that leads me to beleive that a lot of others see things the same way... that being said I make things in the HOPE that LL takes them over - see's what I'm trying to do and integrates that into SL as a whole..
Where does that leave me? making even more stuff with the new features.. I look at it as a nosering. _____________________
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Forseti Svarog
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10-02-2005 20:39
When I talk with other developers these days, the first issue that always arises on a new project seems to be .. "Is LL going to co-opt this somehow?" And btw, LL has co-opted content I sell. The library just gets more and more expansive every month. I have to admit, when I come up with a cool new idea, my biggest fear always seems to be how LL is going to either make my life impossible or is going to steal my ideas. i think that the library example is bit of a reach, Blaze, but you bring up a valid point I mean it's a fact that any potential business in SL has to the probability of Linden Lab either encroaching competitively or making a change that hurts the business. But that doesn't mean that all businesses in SL are vulnerable. There is a lot of guesswork right now, I'll agree with you there. But I don't really expect LL to shut off avenues of development by making early promises. That doesn't mean that business in SL will shut down, any more than uncertainty in RL shuts down entrepeneurship. It changes the dynamic however, and it does mean that LL isn't going to be able to get short-term benefits quite so easily by piggy-backing off of 3rd party software developers creating extensions. It's tools that are most vulnerable -- either those that make up for shortfalls in the SL client, or things that bring SL to the outside world (i.e. the web). methinks I'm going to ponder this issue further and blog it tomorrow. _____________________
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10-02-2005 20:58
90% of what I make comes into being because of what I see as shortfalls in the system.. I usually have a lot of customers - so that leads me to beleive that a lot of others see things the same way... that being said I make things in the HOPE that LL takes them over - see's what I'm trying to do and integrates that into SL as a whole.. Where does that leave me? making even more stuff with the new features.. I look at it as a nosering. Yeah, what Siggy said. _____________________
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