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Third party website comment by R. Linden

Gabe Lippmann
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08-29-2005 14:30
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"While we strongly believe in the right of copyright owners to protect their ideas and work, when a copyright is violated it is the responsibility of the owner to defend it.

In this particular case, there is the additional difficulty in that the objects you're referring to are on a 3rd party site, and we have no jurisdiction over that site.

If the person distributing these objects doesn't have the right to do so, then hopefully he'll think twice and take them off the market." - Robin Linden quoted from original post linked above


It doesn't seem that LL has zero jurisdiction over a third party website selling and delivering product into their proprietary online environment. Without getting into the whole morass of copyright issues, I was just curious what other people's opinion was on LL's statement as to their "authority" over third party vendors selling product for $Lindens and delivering them into SL user accounts.
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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08-29-2005 15:00



Like everything else they do, the Lindens don't want to be the end-all police force in the world; they want the users to police themselves.

you have to think like them: does the Internet have an end-all, be-all police force scouring it? Of course not.

To the Lindens, SL = Internet 2.0.

5 years down the road they want to be a premier SL hosting company, not the folks putting out community fires and enacting economic, political, and creative policy. They want to hand us the reins to everything (eventually), step down, and then make their money hosting and using their expertise to make a mint on the next digital revolution or whatever.

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Gabe Lippmann
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08-29-2005 15:12
I completely agree, but as they are not currently in that situation, they do have some obligation.

If someone sets up shop next to a mall selling pirated DVDs and CDs, I don't think the mall ownership would bear no responsibility if the mall in question charged people to enter the mall and facilitated transaction with the Pirated Media Seller by the creation of a Mall Economy that used $Malls for transactions with the Pirated media seller - then allowed the PMS access to the mall to ease delivery of the product to mall shoppers.
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Enabran Templar
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08-29-2005 16:02
When I first read this thread my first thought was

"WhoTF is R. Linden?"

I think most of us know her as Robin. ;)
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Malachi Petunia
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08-29-2005 16:59
Copyright infringment claims need to be made by the copyright holder (or their agent) per the DMCA [pdf]. In this case, LL is not ducking out from any burden on them.

There have been odd cases where things like sim-crashing bombs have been put up for sale on third party sites - for in-game delivery - and to my eye the consensus opinion on this forum has been "we can't figure out the ethical goodness of that".
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08-29-2005 18:23
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
They want to hand us the reins to everything (eventually), step down, and then make their money hosting and using their expertise to make a mint on the next digital revolution or whatever.

In view of recent events, I'll believe that when I see it.

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Torley Linden
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08-29-2005 18:36
Hehehe, I wonder when there'll be a Runciter Linden. I'd like, run up to the d00d and then go "UBIK! UBIK! UBIK!"

More ontopic, ;) with the resources available, seems to me (very personally) that Lindens would rather spend time+energy crafting better tools instead of being the cops in the world and cracking down... when possible.

There's an inherent dichotomy here: more control meaning more chaos. The more tools we have, the more we can do with them, the more potential for legal troubles arises. Like, remember at the advent of 1.6 when it was obviously predicted this would lead into "illegally distributed movies" being sold and viewed in SL? And yet, there are so many wonderful things that can be done......
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Cristiano Midnight
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08-29-2005 20:11
I think the most interesting thing is that someone actually has the audacity to so blatantly offer up commercial films like that. One question - isn't SLExchange incurring some liability by allowing them to be sold (and taking a commision on those sales - including being able to pay with Paypal)? I doubt the MPAA would split hairs over who is doing what in that case when considering who to sue to stop it.
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Gabe Lippmann
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08-30-2005 09:11
From: Cristiano Midnight
I doubt the MPAA would split hairs over who is doing what in that case when considering who to sue to stop it.


This is exactly what I was thinking. I don't want/expect LL to police anything and am fine with the way they operate. On a more general level, I was splitting hairs with the idea that they have no way to do anything about the third party website's actions vs a policy of non-intervention.

I was curious as to the wording of why they allow it. I can understand that an unwavering hands off policy will strengthen their stance that the issue is between the originator and the licensee.
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John Hornpipe
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08-30-2005 09:41
R. Linden... first thought was a robot .... reading way to much Asimov.
Ardith Mifflin
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08-30-2005 09:45
Has anyone actually purchased these items? I just assumed they were a scam.
Torley Linden
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08-30-2005 09:48
From: John Hornpipe
R. Linden... first thought was a robot .... reading way to much Asimov.


That was my second thought.

Oh I know peeps who've purchased movies, not from that website but from inworld and not quite at that price, but a few hundred L$ a pop. Gives them "access" to the stream URL so they can view it in their own theaters.
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