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Valadeza Anubis
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Join date: 25 Jun 2004
Posts: 31
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07-01-2005 23:46
I’m not a “Forum person.” I tend to stay away, FAR away from forum debates and discussions because I really don’t want to argue points that mean nothing with people that have nothing better to do. However, I was just ejected from a PG Tringo event because the host decided she didn’t like what I had to say and I thought this event was noteworthy. You see, someone won a 3,500 Linden pot, and when the next game started, that person “only” put in 5L to the pot. The host, who I wont name for the sake of not “Slandering,” proceeded to chastise the person publicly and harshly about their donation. It was the host’s belief that a person, any person, who wins a pot at Tringo should give back to the pot. While I don’t necessarily disagree with that belief, I think the open and rather rude way the host went about telling everyone, and “calling out” (as she put it) was completely uncalled for. She even announced to the group that she contacted the winner in IM and “told her off.” As someone that both donates to every pot I participate in, as well as hosts tringo myself, and I do it not so that I can have 24 hour Lag and a most popular place, I do it to generate a little traffic and because I enjoy it, I think this host’s behavior was deplorable. I put up a lot of money each week for Tringo and I don’t expect those that come to play to donate a thing, that’s their choice. Of course all Tringo hosts would like their players to donate, it’s rarely, if ever, required to play. So when people come to play it does ultimately boil down to their choice to put in money or not, and I don’t think they should feel pressured from the host to do so.
So in the spirit of “free choice” tringo, I stood up for this winner. I made some very bland statements in a calm and rational manor, simply saying that it was the choice of the individual to give back to the pot or not. I stated that if a person hosts Tringo with the expectation of winners giving back half or even one forth of his or her winnings, then it was silly to host at all. That’s not the point of the game, the point is to Win! (duh) Again, I’m not saying that small pots make for great games, but it is hardly my right, nor the right of anyone else, to stand in the center of a PG event and “call someone out” for giving only a small donation. I mean really? How many people don’t give anything at all, and this woman was complaining because a winner didn’t want to give back half their winnings? Maybe not everyone can afford an island of their own, a tringo bored of their own, or even a bunch of clothes and “Bling.” Did you stop to think about, oh mighty Tringo Host, that just maybe this person only has a couple a bucks each week to spend on a “game” and could really use that money to enjoy themselves? Not everyone wants to stand on a table and have their avatar dance half naked to gain a few Lindens, and believe it or not, not everyone has the time or ability to make things in the game and create a miniature empire. I doubt any of these fact even fluttered across the mind of the Host.
If this weren’t enough insult, the Host complicated matters by then cursing at the group. Telling anyone that didn’t like what she had to say to get the “F*** out.” Now last I checked, PG events meant that language mattered, and I think this host proved very well that she was incapable of having an intellectual and mature conversation (that she started) about something as simple as a Tringo game. Instead of defending her opinion, she used illegal scripts to remove me (and I assume others who shared my view point) from the island. What kind of behavior is that for a PG event host? She never spoke to me and asked me to hold my opinions, nor did she contact me and ask me to leave the island, which I would have gladly done had she asked it of me. No, instead, she quite easily accepted the 500 Linden dollars I contributed to the game over the past 3 rounds and removed me from a chance of winning my money back, nor asked me if I would like that money returned. Keep in mind that by expressing myself I was not holding up the game, I never cursed, I never shouted, I never used any insulting language of any sort, yet this “women” and I do use the term loosely, decided that I was such an abomination to her game that I had to be removed for the safety of her delicate ego.
To this Host I simply say, Ma’am, you need to mature a bit before you do your next “calling out.” And to the Winner I defended I say, on behave of Tringo hosts with have a brain, I’m sorry you could not enjoy your victory in peace and I hope you return to the game many more times. To those of you taking the time to read this, the location of this stupidity was the Sim named “Beauty.” Perhaps those of you that value your time, money, and freedom to express a rational and calm opinion will take your tringo needs elsewhere.
-V
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
Posts: 6,382
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07-01-2005 23:52
Post the name of the person and a transcript if you have it! It'll net you at worst a formal warning but provide us hours of delight.  ~Ulrika~
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JellyBean Madison
Cheese Ninjas Rock!
Join date: 29 Jul 2004
Posts: 56
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07-02-2005 07:57
V- I totally agree. I play Tringo for the love of the game. Not the money, tho the money is a good perk for my shoe buying addiction.  I have argued points at events being told that winners should contribute anywhere from 3%-5% back into the pot. I disagree with this. I believe that you should donate what you want. I have put alot of money into tringo & I can definitely say I have won less than I have spent. In fact I use to be a dedicated morning player at a place I will leave nameless, after winning a big pot, I was ridiculed for only putting back a couple hundred L's. It wasn't like I put back in 5L, 10L, or even 20L.... I put back in 200L. Yet, they felt the need for a bigger donation from me. Anyone who knows me, knows I am a giver and would willingly do anything for anyone without question, but when it comes to being told I HAVE to do something, that is a different story. I hold 1L Tringo at my house every now & then just for shits & giggles, and we have more fun playing 1L Tringo then we do playing for huge pots. I think greed has taken over & it's a shame. Thank you for posting this here & making others aware that THIS does happen & it's a total shame. See ya at Tringo 
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ZsuZsanna Raven
~:+: Supah Kitteh :+:~
Join date: 19 Dec 2004
Posts: 2,361
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07-02-2005 08:51
Is it a requirement that you put a percentage of what you win back into the pot? Seems kinda silly to me. If you win...you win. It is your choice. Sure it would be a nice gesture to put some back in...but is it stated that you have to? I played it once and donated some just because that is the kind of person I am. If I win a cheeseburger from Burger King...do I have to give them one of the buns back for the next person? People shouldn't be berated because they want to keep their winnings.
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JellyBean Madison
Cheese Ninjas Rock!
Join date: 29 Jul 2004
Posts: 56
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07-02-2005 10:43
From: ZsuZsanna Raven If I win a cheeseburger from Burger King...do I have to give them one of the buns back for the next person? I AGREE & OMG ROFLMFAO!
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Eboni Khan
Misanthrope
Join date: 17 Mar 2004
Posts: 2,133
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07-02-2005 10:47
From: Ulrika Zugzwang Post the name of the person and a transcript if you have it! It'll net you at worst a formal warning but provide us hours of delight.  ~Ulrika~ I <3 Ulrika
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 10,231
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07-02-2005 10:50
Why even have a pot at all if the winner is going to be pressured to give it back? Donating a percentage back to the pot seems like a courteous and cool thing to do, but winnings are winnings (that's why they're called winnings!).
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Marcos Fonzarelli
You are not Marcos
Join date: 26 Feb 2004
Posts: 748
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07-02-2005 10:51
Like sands through the hourglass... so are the Days of Our Second Lives... *music*
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Cienna Samiam
Bah.
Join date: 13 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,316
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07-02-2005 11:20
I prefer "As The Stomache Churns". =/
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Commerce Leader
Registered User
Join date: 26 Jan 2005
Posts: 32
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07-02-2005 11:51
Blech, sounds like someone who doesn't understand the meanings of winning a pot. In poker, if you are going head to head with another player, and you beat them... winning a lot of money... if you're a nice guy, you ante up for that other player you just beat. But let's say the ante is a dollar, and you just won $100 - its not going to put a dent in their losses... but its a NICE gesture.
Expecting to give 25% or more of a winning by a host is ridiculous and just proof they're only hosting for dwell/traffic whoring and trying to be on Popular Places... but minimizing their own money out of pocket and RECYCLING pot winnings.
Regards,
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Hiro Queso
503less
Join date: 23 Feb 2005
Posts: 2,753
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07-02-2005 13:10
I think that if you win a sizable amount, it's only courteous to put a sizable amount back in the pot. Not for the land owner or the host, but for your fellow players. I expect varying views on this, largely because we are all from different parts of the world with different ways of doing things. For example, tips in the are not as common in the UK than in the US, it's a culture thing.
That being said, I find the behaviour of the host disgusting.
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Nikki Seraph
Registered User
Join date: 6 Jan 2005
Posts: 238
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07-02-2005 14:37
Host. See, to me, the word host implies that anyone bearing that title should be welcoming and gracious to guests. Maybe that's just me. I personally feel that contributing a percentage of your winnings is a very nice and generous thing to do. Of course, I also feel that contributing L$5 is a very nice and generous thing to do, since to me, neither should be a requirement. Actually, in visiting various Tringo locations, there are a slew of things that I find to be anywhere on a meter from slightly annoying to downright rude. Shaming winners and patrons into contributing is one of those things I find downright rude. I once visited a place where the owner of the board was there hosting, and she actually said, "Don't make me start listing off the names of those of you here who have not contributed." In that instance, I actually had contributed to the pot, but that is the point where I got up and left. 
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Roberta Dalek
Probably trouble
Join date: 21 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,174
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07-02-2005 16:08
The last tringo I went to the host kept winning and never gave any money back to the pot. The first pot she won was the last large pot of course.
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