Racist Apologists

Dear Mr. Video Game Forum Hall Monitor,

I am thankful that you took the time to express your disdain for my use of "Racist Douchebag". However the fact that you took the time to express this disdain, and not express disdain for the racist douchebag him/herself leads me to question your own views on the acceptability of racism.

Oh, and you get a p-bear

Maybe you're offending all the Racists that aren't douchebags and she's taking that personally?

I think it's most telling that Mr. Hall Monitor only has 2 posts since April. Since we can't talk about or accuse anyone of altered states, I won't mention them. But I'll still think them and encourage the thought by adamantly refusing to talk about them.

Yeah, that hotline post made me want to drink a mALT.

I wonder if we need a very calm cut-n-paste statement that we can use when an immature thrillseeker or other troublemaker makes an incendiary post. Something like:

We, in Second Life, are attempting to have a world where the best of human behavor is supported and protected. Your post exhibits intolerance and immaturity and I advise you to do some soul-searching.

If it was a usual reaction to such posts that they received 5 pages of something like that, pasted in many times, their thrill-seeking would not be fed.

I don't know.

That's really not hostile enough. Being a mischief-maker myself, let me tell you how that would go down:

Them: (Insert racist statement)
You: We, in Second Life, are attempting to have a world where the best of human behavor is supported and protected. Your post exhibits intolerance and immaturity and I advise you to do some soul-searching.
Them: (Insert racist statement)
You #2: We, in Second Life, are attempting to have a world where the best of human behavor is supported and protected. Your post exhibits intolerance and immaturity and I advise you to do some soul-searching.
Them: WTF (Insert racist statement)
Misguided Noob: I don't think you should be saying (Insert racist statement)
Them: WTF, (Insert racist statement), don't hate! We, in Second Life, are attempting to have a world where the best of human behavor is supported and protected. Your post exhibits intolerance and immaturity and I advise you to do some soul-searching.
You: We, in Second Life, are attempting to have a world where the best of human behavor is supported and protected. Your post exhibits intolerance and immaturity and I advise you to do some soul-searching.
Them: We, (insert racist statement) in Second Life, are attempting to have a world where the best of human behavor is supported and protected. Your post exhibits intolerance and immaturity and I advise you to do some soul-searching.

Really, the best solution is purchasing some refined plutonium from North Korea's nuclear weapons program that ended today and crafting some kind of directional neutron bomb.

Osprey has the right general idea.

If I remember correctly, the thread starters intent originally was to publicize a problem with a build inworld, not a forum post, though there may have been posts later on perceived as racist.

So one could include a picture of the build in question and a statement to the effect of:
The pictured object, located at Somesim xx, yyy, in my view violates the community standards intolerance section, which reads as follows:



Those who share this view can attach a copy of the picture I have provided in this post and send an email citing how the item shown violates the community standards intolerance section. The email can be sent to [email]abuse@secondlife.com[/email].

Those who object to this build might prefer to go inworld to get a look at the real thing.
See if you can get an adequate view while off the parcel the build is on so that the parcel owner does not get the dwell. Use the inworld Help Report Abuse system to file the abuse report, making sure to check the include chat history, just in case, and the include screenshot checkboxes.

Include a brief, concise, objective description of the offensive item and include a quote of the section of the community standards you feel it violates. Make sure to spell the offender's name correctly. If the builder and the parcel owner are different persons, and the object is on the parcel owner's land with permission, the parcel owner can also receive an abuse report. Remember, the community standards document is available for viewing inworld by pressing F1 and selecting the last link.

If the parcel owner or the builder or anyone else happens to stop by and do or say anything to violate the CS or TOS file a separate abuse report for each person and for each discrete category or instance of violation. Some judgement is needed to determine how many abuse reports is needed to properly report a complex abuse incident.

One could also contact people who oppose racism and who support the use of the abuse report system to deal with violations of the community standards and other rules of Second Life via inworld IM's, forum PMs, and email. If people are reluctant to file abuse reports because they don't want to be tattle-tales remind them it is better to combat racism in the manner approved by the management and feel like a tattle-tale than it is to let racists win.

For the forum posts that strike one one as racist, one should use the bad post triangle to report each bad post separately. I don't see anything specific in the Forum Guidelines about racism, but the Forum Guidelines do explicity state that the forums are governed by the Community Standards, so the Intolerance section applies.

It's better to be a tattle tale and move the racist CS violators a step towards removal from SL or acceptance of the fact they will have to indulge their racism elsewhere than it is to repeatedly break the community standards and give the racists the means to have you justifiably advanced along the punitive sequence leading to permanent banning.

Trying to persuade racists through talk and discussion to stop being racists is likely to be a waste of time, if their minds and consciences worked well enough to be swayed by rational argument they wouldn't be racists to start with.

Thanks, Captain Forum Guidelines! I knew you'd come through!

W-Hat do you think of his group affiliations?

First off kati it's she, not he.

I don't understand the reference about W-Hat. I have my not too well informed view of W-Hat, the people from Baku who have their own distinctive sense of humor and who thnk that everyone in the world must be made to have the exact same sense of humor.
I don't know why you say my groups suggest W-Hat involvement.

University of Second Life was started by Hank Ramos, a generally well thought of person, I think. I have never heard anything to suggest that he or his group caused any problems. Their is an extensive set of learning materials provided by the group, and I know that before Hank was working on becoming a doctor he had extensive builds for the University to hold classes in.

I was in the presence of someone with a title of Blue Linden Fan or something like that while Blue Linden was in my view inworld, I was invited to join, and said yes. I have no idea who any of the people in the group are, and have never heard any group chat from it. Since they never say anything, I have no reason to think it was anything other than a silly group of Linden worshippers, probably just playing, but maybe thinking they might get some special treatment if they act like they dig Lindens. I had just started and didn't really understand anything about SL at the time.

I am truly confused now, I provided a description of what I do when I encounter CS violations, be they for statements of racism, sexism, or religious bigotry, or whatever they might be. I have filed a number abuse reports on the grounds of racism and will continue to do so. Actually, and this is sad, there are times when the people whose chat I am reading are making so many religion, race, and nationality based hate statements I can't type fast enough to keep up with them. And that's not in some privately owned bigot's parcel, that's at the welcome area.

Well, at least the picture he posted got deleted.

And speaking of pictures, I LOVE that baby picture!

One can hope that along with deleting that picture, action was taken against this person who is fouling the entire community with his behavior. I swear, all the little cowards in the world who wouldn't dare do anything like this in the real world just run amuck on the internet. I don't want them doing it here. That reflects badly on all of us and on SL.

coco

panda,

as much as I think what happened was pretty blatant lame-excuse racism, you should know by now that the best way to win in the forums is to be overly polite and to catch (insert offensive term here) people by their own statements without any from yours.

I saw that thread and shuddered... it was just too much of a mess =\

The thing to do about violation of the community standard's intolerance clause is to file abuse reports and make bad post reports, not make your own cause look bad by chronic misbehavior which gives the hateful collectivists reasons to have you kicked out. A silent campaign of contacting people and encouraging them to file a sincere and valid abuse report will have an effect without rewarding the violators with publicity or giving them grounds to claim they have been persecuted.

WHOA...slow down!

First, sorry Saben no slight was intended by referral to you as he. I really did not know you are female; please accept my apologies.

Second, I am glad to know you are not connected to the founder of the Blue Linden group, who has been banned from SL. His membership status speaks for itself.

Since the founder of the Blue Linden group is gone, and membership is limited to just 3, its not totally unreasonable to be curious about the connection. FYI W-Hat is not as benign as merely having a distinctive sense of humor. There has been much controversy in SL concerning content W-Hat members have brought to SL that many consider to highly offensive and bigoted.

Ask anyone and they will tell you, with varying descriptions (ha ha ha), that I am an avid supporter of equality and even handed treatment. I agree with you on the points you made about racism, hate speech and bigotry. As a matter of fact, I am certain Panda does as well.

Any person who speaks out against a W-Hat display, as has Panda, in my book is a good soul because this kind of display from W-Hat should not be tolerated.

You fail the Turing test
Anyone else notice the similarities between Saben and God? VERY suspicious.

You had added a smiley face so presumably you are attempting to make a joke of some sort.

I don't get the joke, could you explain it?

The "Turing test" is to some people the idea that if one cannot distinguish between an alogorithm's responses to questions supplied as text from those given by a human then the algorithm must share some aspect of the human's mental process, like intelligence or sentience or consciousness or awareness.

My responses show a reasonably good grasp of the writer's intent.

You suggest that I have no more intelligence or grasp of reality than a program like Eliza or Alice or Racter, and hide your insult behind a smiley face.

You have suceeded in insulting me, I stand insulted. I don't see the basis for it though.

I dont think Racism deserves intelligent responces.. Infact.. I dont think Racists are very intelligent.. :/

I know politics bore you But I feel like a hypocrite talking to you and your racist friend

In my opinion, getting upset over such a trivial thing, shows a lack of intelligence. Your radical intolerance to this obviously somewhat ill-fated attempt at humor, worries me more than the alleged racist's statements.

I agree with Egbert!

Ah so Racism is trivial now? o.O
we should "tolorate" Racism? not me...

Nice diction!

SFTU TROLL!

Actually, racism is trivial now. People have made racism and terrorism trivial by over use and inappropriate applications. The term "racism" has almost no punch at all now, and once it was a powerful world.

Saben, you are such a nice person, it is a shame you were taken in by a prankster. Sometimes when Second Life users get bored, they contact a buddy, or use an alternate account, and make an offensive build. Then they post a hostile message reporting it and settle back and enjoy the fireworks. The whole incident was a hoax, devised by the starter of the disgusting people thread. Your desire to not see anti-racists made to appear as dimwitted foulmouthed attention whores is commendable.

This thread is not appropriate and is being used to personally attack other Residents, as such is being closed.