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Lupo Clymer

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06-27-2005 08:42

I don't know how to feel about this one.

From: HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer

A sharply divided Supreme Court on Monday upheld the constitutionality of displaying the Ten Commandments on government land, but drew the line on displays inside courthouses, saying they violated the doctrine of separation of church and state.
Sending dual signals in ruling on this issue for the first time in a quarter-century, the high court said that displays of the Ten Commandments — like their own courtroom frieze — are not inherently unconstitutional. But each exhibit demands scrutiny to determine whether it goes too far in amounting to a governmental promotion of religion, the court said in a case involving Kentucky courthouse exhibits.
In effect, the court said it was taking the position that issues of Ten Commandments displays in courthouses should be resolved on a case-by-case basis.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050627/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_ten_commandments;_ylt=AooM9jMouEvC_M._x_rbU1us0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

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Arcadia Codesmith

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06-27-2005 09:00

From: Lupo Clymer

I don't know how to feel about this one.

I think that if it had been the Witches' Rede, verses from the Koran, or Buddhist koans instead of the Ten Commandments, Christians would be rioting in the streets... and vehemently rejecting the very same arguments that they are now advancing.

I guess that comes with the territory when you believe that your path is the One True Path (tm).

Eboni Khan

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06-27-2005 09:00

Are they going to remove the 10 commandments from the Supreme Court?

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06-27-2005 12:08

Maybe they can just hang a curtain over them. I hear there is an extra one over at the Justice Department.

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Lupo Clymer

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06-27-2005 12:14

I sent this to a friend and he stated,

From: someone

Loss of religion in government could be the downfall of society. How is it that we have laws if not for religion. What makes morality? Only by following the laws of our respective G(g)od(s). Get rid of religion then why is it wrong to kill? The government does it via war and negligence, why shouldn't I be allowed to. Oh there is a law against it why? - because its wrong. Why is it wrong? because society knows its wrong -Why? I would reply, we kill animals and plants why not people? - No matter what you must lead back to religion for the reasons its wrong, for without that everything is arbitrary.

Then he also said

From: someone

I am not for the display or against it. I don't see why the icon scares people so. I am simply saying that at the root of all of our laws, and all of our consciences is religion in one form or another and it cannot be seperated from who we are, anywhere on this planet. To attempt to do so is an attempt to alter our humanity that is destine to fail, since success would amount to chaos and the end of all life.

He does have a point. Our laws are based on UK Common law. Common Law is based on Pagan Celtic Common Laws.

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Colette Meiji

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06-27-2005 12:27

From: Lupo Clymer

I sent this to a friend and he stated,

Then he also said

He does have a point. Our laws are based on UK Common law. Common Law is based on Pagan Celtic Common Laws.

Most fundamental laws go back much earlier. Murder as a concept and laws against it predate Christianity.

Also UK common law was heavily influenced by Roman law , etc .. Culture is insidious that way.

Murder violates Another person's rights , Ie the victims. There is no need for it to be a moral issue in order to justify a law.

Stealing violates the rights of the property owners. Again morality does not need to enter into it.

Legislating morality is a dangerous thing. According to many christians homosexuality is wrong - therefore immoral - therefore if we codify morality as a matter of course , we would outlaw homosexuality.

the thing about Chirstain or another religions moral that is interesting is - Most certainly the original reasons to regualte behavior were for the sake of Order.

It becomes a chicken or the egg arguement.

Murders make our society unstable . K add that into the new book you are writing that God says its wrong .. well the Book says god says its wrong .. so make it illegal ... there now our society is stable becuase we punish murderers.

Chip Midnight

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06-27-2005 12:42

From: Thomas Jefferson

"For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law. . . This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it.

". . . if any one chooses to build a doctrine on any law of that period, supposed to have been lost, it is incumbent on him to prove it to have existed, and what were its contents. These were so far alterations of the common law, and became themselves a part of it. But none of these adopt Christianity as a part of the common law. If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are all able to find among them no such act of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."

The Christian claim that the ten commandments have anything at all to do with the foundation of American law is willful ignorance and revisionist history.

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Lupo Clymer

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06-27-2005 13:06

I agree with you there. I said Celtic and I was wrong you are right it was the Sax. Sorry about that

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06-27-2005 13:10

From: Lupo Clymer

I agree with you there. I said Celtic and I was wrong you are right it was the Sax. Sorry about that

You were basically right though. The point being that Christianity has nothing to do with the foundation of our laws.

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Lupo Clymer

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06-27-2005 13:13

From: Chip Midnight

You were basically right though. The point being that Christianity has nothing to do with the foundation of our laws.

I just hate being wrong. Not being shown I was wrong but when I am right but wrong like now. I know it was the sax. but I had forgotten. I should have checked my info before posting it. It was my bad and I will have my wife give me 10 lashes for it. Oh wait I will like that. LOL Thanks by the way Chip.

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06-27-2005 13:21

From: someone

Hate is not a family Value!

What if you were in the Manson Family?

Boy wouldn't it be a hoot to see them on the Feud?

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Court Splits on Ten Commandments Displays
Lupo Clymer The Lost Pagan Join date: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 778	06-27-2005 08:42 I don't know how to feel about this one. From: HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer A sharply divided Supreme Court on Monday upheld the constitutionality of displaying the Ten Commandments on government land, but drew the line on displays inside courthouses, saying they violated the doctrine of separation of church and state. Sending dual signals in ruling on this issue for the first time in a quarter-century, the high court said that displays of the Ten Commandments — like their own courtroom frieze — are not inherently unconstitutional. But each exhibit demands scrutiny to determine whether it goes too far in amounting to a governmental promotion of religion, the court said in a case involving Kentucky courthouse exhibits. In effect, the court said it was taking the position that issues of Ten Commandments displays in courthouses should be resolved on a case-by-case basis. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050627/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_ten_commandments;_ylt=AooM9jMouEvC_M._x_rbU1us0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ-- _____________________ --------------------------------------- Hate is not a family Value! --------------------------------------- I am a pagan, I vote! Do you? ---------------------------------------
Arcadia Codesmith Not a guest Join date: 8 Dec 2004 Posts: 766	06-27-2005 09:00 From: Lupo Clymer I don't know how to feel about this one. I think that if it had been the Witches' Rede, verses from the Koran, or Buddhist koans instead of the Ten Commandments, Christians would be rioting in the streets... and vehemently rejecting the very same arguments that they are now advancing. I guess that comes with the territory when you believe that your path is the One True Path (tm).
Eboni Khan Misanthrope Join date: 17 Mar 2004 Posts: 2,133	06-27-2005 09:00 Are they going to remove the 10 commandments from the Supreme Court? _____________________
Neehai Zapata Unofficial Parent Join date: 8 Apr 2004 Posts: 1,970	06-27-2005 12:08 Maybe they can just hang a curtain over them. I hear there is an extra one over at the Justice Department. _____________________ Unofficial moderator and proud dysfunctional parent to over 1000 bastard children.
Lupo Clymer The Lost Pagan Join date: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 778	06-27-2005 12:14 I sent this to a friend and he stated, From: someone Loss of religion in government could be the downfall of society. How is it that we have laws if not for religion. What makes morality? Only by following the laws of our respective G(g)od(s). Get rid of religion then why is it wrong to kill? The government does it via war and negligence, why shouldn't I be allowed to. Oh there is a law against it why? - because its wrong. Why is it wrong? because society knows its wrong -Why? I would reply, we kill animals and plants why not people? - No matter what you must lead back to religion for the reasons its wrong, for without that everything is arbitrary. Then he also said From: someone I am not for the display or against it. I don't see why the icon scares people so. I am simply saying that at the root of all of our laws, and all of our consciences is religion in one form or another and it cannot be seperated from who we are, anywhere on this planet. To attempt to do so is an attempt to alter our humanity that is destine to fail, since success would amount to chaos and the end of all life. He does have a point. Our laws are based on UK Common law. Common Law is based on Pagan Celtic Common Laws. _____________________ --------------------------------------- Hate is not a family Value! --------------------------------------- I am a pagan, I vote! Do you? ---------------------------------------
Colette Meiji Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 15,556	06-27-2005 12:27 From: Lupo Clymer I sent this to a friend and he stated, Then he also said He does have a point. Our laws are based on UK Common law. Common Law is based on Pagan Celtic Common Laws. Most fundamental laws go back much earlier. Murder as a concept and laws against it predate Christianity. Also UK common law was heavily influenced by Roman law , etc .. Culture is insidious that way. Murder violates Another person's rights , Ie the victims. There is no need for it to be a moral issue in order to justify a law. Stealing violates the rights of the property owners. Again morality does not need to enter into it. Legislating morality is a dangerous thing. According to many christians homosexuality is wrong - therefore immoral - therefore if we codify morality as a matter of course , we would outlaw homosexuality. the thing about Chirstain or another religions moral that is interesting is - Most certainly the original reasons to regualte behavior were for the sake of Order. It becomes a chicken or the egg arguement. Murders make our society unstable . K add that into the new book you are writing that God says its wrong .. well the Book says god says its wrong .. so make it illegal ... there now our society is stable becuase we punish murderers.
Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	06-27-2005 12:42 From: Thomas Jefferson "For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law. . . This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it. ". . . if any one chooses to build a doctrine on any law of that period, supposed to have been lost, it is incumbent on him to prove it to have existed, and what were its contents. These were so far alterations of the common law, and became themselves a part of it. But none of these adopt Christianity as a part of the common law. If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are all able to find among them no such act of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." The Christian claim that the ten commandments have anything at all to do with the foundation of American law is willful ignorance and revisionist history. _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
Lupo Clymer The Lost Pagan Join date: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 778	06-27-2005 13:06 I agree with you there. I said Celtic and I was wrong you are right it was the Sax. Sorry about that _____________________ --------------------------------------- Hate is not a family Value! --------------------------------------- I am a pagan, I vote! Do you? ---------------------------------------
Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	06-27-2005 13:10 From: Lupo Clymer I agree with you there. I said Celtic and I was wrong you are right it was the Sax. Sorry about that You were basically right though. The point being that Christianity has nothing to do with the foundation of our laws. _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
Lupo Clymer The Lost Pagan Join date: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 778	06-27-2005 13:13 From: Chip Midnight You were basically right though. The point being that Christianity has nothing to do with the foundation of our laws. I just hate being wrong. Not being shown I was wrong but when I am right but wrong like now. I know it was the sax. but I had forgotten. I should have checked my info before posting it. It was my bad and I will have my wife give me 10 lashes for it. Oh wait I will like that. LOL Thanks by the way Chip. _____________________ --------------------------------------- Hate is not a family Value! --------------------------------------- I am a pagan, I vote! Do you? ---------------------------------------
Siggy Romulus DILLIGAF Join date: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 5,711	06-27-2005 13:21 From: someone Hate is not a family Value! What if you were in the Manson Family? Boy wouldn't it be a hoot to see them on the Feud? "And your answer is?" "Whatever the voices tell us....." Siggy. _____________________ The Second Life forums are living proof as to why it's illegal for people to have sex with farm animals. From: Jesse Linden I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread

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