In honor of Wright's birthday, here's a favorite quote from him:
"A doctor can bury his mistakes, but an architect can only advise his client to plant vines."
Quick, somebody build a birthday cake with cantilevered layers!

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Ilianexsi Sojourner
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06-08-2005 12:42
Hey, if you haven't seen the special Google logo today, check it out.... today is Frank Lloyd Wright's birthday, woot! He was born on June 8, 1867. I've always loved his architecture... the man was just brilliant. His studio is kinda near me in beautiful Oak Park, Illinois... come take the tour sometime!
In honor of Wright's birthday, here's a favorite quote from him: "A doctor can bury his mistakes, but an architect can only advise his client to plant vines." Quick, somebody build a birthday cake with cantilevered layers! ![]() _____________________
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Lupo Clymer
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06-08-2005 13:36
Hey, if you haven't seen the special Google logo today, check it out.... today is Frank Lloyd Wright's birthday, woot! He was born on June 8, 1867. I've always loved his architecture... the man was just brilliant. His studio is kinda near me in beautiful Oak Park, Illinois... come take the tour sometime! In honor of Wright's birthday, here's a favorite quote from him: "A doctor can bury his mistakes, but an architect can only advise his client to plant vines." Quick, somebody build a birthday cake with cantilevered layers! ![]() Is it just me or is Frank Lloyd Wright over rated?? _____________________
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Barnesworth Anubis
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06-08-2005 13:39
Is it just me or is Frank Lloyd Wright over rated?? No, he isn't. I saw that Google thing too, pretty cool. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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06-08-2005 14:16
Is it just me or is Frank Lloyd Wright over rated?? Naw - considering he is one of the foremost American architects and his work can be found across the country. His work continues to amaze people decades later and serve as inspiration for architects to this day. Sadly, some of his most amazing work was never built (The Illinois) - or was torn down (Imperial Hotel, Tokyo). His personal life was something that would read like a daytime soap opera: failed marriages, a love affair with a clients wife and the murder of his 3rd wife. Amazing work and an intriguing life. _____________________
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Darko Cellardoor
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06-08-2005 15:32
Frank Lloyd Wright rocks. In fact we need to do all we can to help preserve his amazing work.
Check and the foundation and give a small contribution if you can. Frank Lloyd Wright Foundation |
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Ardith Mifflin
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06-08-2005 16:25
Having grown up in Wisconsin, where Wright has been beatified and his works enshrined as holy writ, I'm rather tired of every new commercial development being a pale imitation of his work and a caricature of the prairie style. I remember attending the Monona Terrace opening and being overawed by the beauty of the building. Now, having gained a few more years of wisdom, I've decided that the Monona Terrace is the ultimate shrine to aesthetic onanism. It is a convention center fitting for a city half Madison's size, but is so inadequate for larger conferences that the decrepit and hideous Alliant Energy Center nee Coliseum is still used for conferences of any substantial size. I don't think Wright deserves all of the blame for the inadequacies of the Monona Terrace, as it was a vintage design that should have been updated for today. I don't think Wright deserves the blame for pioneering an architectural style so pleasing that it has been mimicked and abused wholesale.
Ultimately, I recognize that he's a great architect. However, he is most certainly not the immaculate designer which people so often make him out to be. Many of his designs are practicaly impossible to live in, either because of poor engineering or bad ergonomics. Some of the anecdotes from owners of Wright homes made it abundantly clear that one's lifestyle was forced to conform to the house, and not the other way around. |
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Juro Kothari
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06-08-2005 17:02
Some of the anecdotes from owners of Wright homes made it abundantly clear that one's lifestyle was forced to conform to the house, and not the other way around. Absolutely so - that's what makes it even more amazing! His clients were to 'conform' to his ways. He wanted control over virtually everything in the house - down to the silverware. _____________________
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Nolan Nash
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06-08-2005 17:06
For me, the most important thing Wright did was by not being afraid of breaking the rules of traditional forms of architecture.
His doing so made it OK for others to follow suit, and to not be afraid of the Victorian mindset's scrutiny, as well as that of other classically minded critics and architects. So happy birthday Frank! Cheers! _____________________
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Siggy Romulus
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06-08-2005 18:26
Cats rocked! I saw it twice!
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Ardith Mifflin
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06-08-2005 18:28
Cats rocked! I saw it twice! Schwaa? |
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Siggy Romulus
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06-08-2005 18:34
Schwaa? I'm imagining Juro right now - face red as a beet with steam flying out of his ears ![]() Siggy. _____________________
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Olympia Rebus
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06-08-2005 19:24
Having grown up in Wisconsin, where Wright has been beatified and his works enshrined as holy writ, I'm rather tired of every new commercial development being a pale imitation of his work and a caricature of the prairie style. . I used to fear I was an uncultured slob for not appreciating modern buildings inspired by prarie style. At last one person agrees with me! ![]() Ultimately, I recognize that he's a great architect. However, he is most certainly not the immaculate designer which people so often make him out to be. Many of his designs are practicaly impossible to live in, either because of poor engineering or bad ergonomics. Some of the anecdotes from owners of Wright homes made it abundantly clear that one's lifestyle was forced to conform to the house, and not the other way around. Interesting point. It seems he focused more ont the relationship of building + environment as opposed to building + people who had to live there. Maybe he knew that the visual impact of the former combo was stronger than the later- as the proportion of people who saw the buildings was huge compared to the number of people who moved into them. _____________________
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David Cartier
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06-08-2005 19:36
Is it just me or is Frank Lloyd Wright over rated?? You might think that Wright is overrated, when you think of how his body of work compares to modern architecture, but the fact is that, at least here in the United States, much of our daily life is still dominated by his designs. Much of what you see, from ranch style homes to garages purpose-built for automobiles to picture windows; he was the first to use them. He literally invented the modern home, all on his own. When Wright first started designing in his Prairie Style, back in the 1890's, it was virtually unique. Everyone else was still designing in the Queen Anne or Colonial Revival styles. Homes and offices had been closed in with walls and doorways. Rooms were dark and windows were draped with heavy fabrics. Wright opened up structures to the outside world, and spent his entire life pushing the technological envelope with new materials such as poured concrete, cast cement and plywood. A few years ago, the Johnson Co., in Racine, Wisconsin returned one of their buildings to Wright's original design, because it is only recently that it was possible to make the curved glass that his design called for back in 1936. |
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Eboni Khan
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06-08-2005 20:20
The live 10 blocks from a Frank Lloyd Wright house (wow, what a road map for stalkers since there aren't many and I live in Chicago
), and it is impossible that he is over rated, but quite possible most people have horrible taste. Visit any suburban area and you can see evidence of this everyday I worship Chicago architecture and he is one of my idols._____________________
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Paris Cellardoor
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06-08-2005 20:39
Frank Lloyd Wright rocks. In fact we need to do all we can to help preserve his amazing work. Check and the foundation and give a small contribution if you can. Frank Lloyd Wright Foundation Yeah what my husband said. ![]() |
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Chip Midnight
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06-08-2005 21:10
Is it just me or is Frank Lloyd Wright over rated?? It's just you, hehe. Funny coincidence... today I'm wearing a t-shirt of Frank Lloyd Wright stained glass window designs and I didn't even know it was his birthday. Pretty cool ![]() _____________________
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Lupo Clymer
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06-09-2005 06:44
You might think that Wright is overrated, when you think of how his body of work compares to modern architecture, but the fact is that, at least here in the United States, much of our daily life is still dominated by his designs. To be that is part of the problem. His work were just down right bad in allot of ways. Some things were out of there world and others just ok. Much of what you see, from ranch style homes to garages purpose-built for automobiles to picture windows; he was the first to use them. He literally invented the modern home, all on his own. The Modern home is not something to be proud of. When Wright first started designing in his Prairie Style, back in the 1890's, it was virtually unique. Everyone else was still designing in the Queen Anne or Colonial Revival styles. I don't mindQueen Anne and Colonial Revival styles.Victorian architecture is my favorite. Maybe if I lived in his time I would have liked his better because it was different then all the other stuff. Homes and offices had been closed in with walls and doorways. Rooms were dark and windows were draped with heavy fabrics. I hate the new Cubical style, I really hate the 1/2 wall cubical style, give me walls and doors. I had to make my own drapes because I wanted heavy fabrics, a richer warmer feel then the light air style of his. Wright opened up structures to the outside world, and spent his entire life pushing the technological envelope with new materials such as poured concrete, cast cement and plywood. The open thing is just not something I like. I see it as a wasted space. The new materials was a great thing but we can name 100s before and after him that did the same. A few years ago, the Johnson Co., in Racine, Wisconsin returned one of their buildings to Wright's original design, because it is only recently that it was possible to make the curved glass that his design called for back in 1936. And this makes him good why? Yes many people like him, but I can’t think I am the only one here that just thinks “Over done and overrated”. Luckily I married some one that HATES his stuff, I don’t hate it. I dislike modern architecture I like a more Classical design. Give me Dark Cherry Stained wood, give me Heavy Rich Fabrics. I am making new Drapes to cover all my walls, all will be Dark and heavy. This will make it darker in the house (I have light houses) and by covering the walls it will damper the sounds and raise the R value of the walls (all the fabric will be backed with R rated backing). _____________________
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Prokofy Neva
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06-09-2005 06:49
FLW seems dated and 50s to me now, but I don't care, I love it. Some of it seems cramped, and "push-media" -- the style forces you into a certain entrance, a certain furniture, etc. These are definitely overwhelming buildings -- but still, they are interesting and so much better to look at than cubes or turds in the plaza or tract houses.
It's interesting that in SL, Juro Kothari sort of builds in this style. That is, he can imitate it almost exactly, as he did in Annie's Home (can't remember which sim in SL), and he can also be inspired by it, as he did for Robin Linden's home in Alice. Some of Juro's pre-fabs look like a cross between Asian and FLW. There's also an FLW prefab made by the Lindens. It's too prim-heavy and weird, and few people use it, but I ought to put it out for FLW's birthday celebration. And someone even made a deprimmed version of this house, but then they couldn't distribute it because of some texture perm glitch drat. Barnes also works with FLW's inspirations and clones -- I have one of his little ones and I love it to pieces. _____________________
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Olympia Rebus
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06-09-2005 08:30
There's also an FLW prefab made by the Lindens. It's too prim-heavy and weird, and few people use it, but I ought to put it out for FLW's birthday celebration. And someone even made a deprimmed version of this house, but then they couldn't distribute it because of some texture perm glitch drat. Is that the Fallingwater build? I was impressed that it was recreated here, although it's ironic that the original was carefully crafted to compliment its environment, while the replica can be rezzed anywhere. Too bad we can't bring Frank back from the dead for some SL expirementation. Taking the suroundings into consideration, what would he build in Cordova? Ahern? The snow sims? The Moth sims? _____________________
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David Cartier
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06-09-2005 11:13
To be that is part of the problem. His work were just down right bad in allot of ways. Some things were out of there world and others just ok. The Modern home is not something to be proud of. Well, again, I didn't really get into criticism of his actual styles; I'm sure that I could not live in one of the Usonian houses and I like a bit more of a formal, traditional layout than you see in the Prairie Style. Over the course of his seventy-odd year long carrer he hit a lot of both heights and lows. What I was getting at was his innovation. In-floor radiant heating, high-speed elevators, concrete block, earthquake-proof buildings, these all concepts that he thought up. He had a major influence on the worldwide built environment during the last century, for better or worse. |
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Lupo Clymer
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06-09-2005 11:24
Well, again, I didn't really get into criticism of his actual styles; I'm sure that I could not live in one of the Usonian houses and I like a bit more of a formal, traditional layout than you see in the Prairie Style. Over the course of his seventy-odd year long carrer he hit a lot of both heights and lows. What I was getting at was his innovation. In-floor radiant heating, high-speed elevators, concrete block, earthquake-proof buildings, these all concepts that he thought up. He had a major influence on the worldwide built environment during the last century, for better or worse. Well I got to say ok to that, I don't know much about him and the things you have pointed out and if true (I don't think your lieing) then I can see that as a good thing. Still call him overrated but then again I could just be nuts. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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06-09-2005 16:29
Some of Juro's pre-fabs look like a cross between Asian and FLW. ![]() I'm glad you noticed this! My homes do have a bit of FLW and Asian influence to them. Although, I must say, I should probably branch out and expand my 'style' a little. ![]() One of the things I like most about FLW is the wide style his work spans. The Johnson & Johnson building is very modern, smooth, clean looking while his Imperial Hotel in Tokyo was more intricate and abundant in rich details. The Imperial Hotel was torn down in the 60's, but they did save the main entry and it is now located at The Museum Meiji-mura. FLW residence: ![]() J&J building: ![]() Imperial Hotel entrance: ![]() Hollyhock House: ![]() _____________________
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Ardith Mifflin
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06-09-2005 16:55
![]() I'm glad you noticed this! My homes do have a bit of FLW and Asian influence to them. Although, I must say, I should probably branch out and expand my 'style' a little. ![]() One of the things I like most about FLW is the wide style his work spans. The Johnson & Johnson building is very modern, smooth, clean looking while his Imperial Hotel in Tokyo was more intricate and abundant in rich details. The Imperial Hotel was torn down in the 60's, but they did save the main entry and it is now located at The Museum Meiji-mura. FLW residence: ![]() J&J building: ![]() Imperial Hotel entrance: ![]() Hollyhock House: ![]() If I recall correctly, I saw that Hollyhock house on television before. It had this massive courtyard with mesoamerican inspired tiles. It was very reminiscent of Machu Pichu, and very cool. Definitely not his typical work. |
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Juro Kothari
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06-09-2005 17:22
If I recall correctly, I saw that Hollyhock house on television before. It had this massive courtyard with mesoamerican inspired tiles. It was very reminiscent of Machu Pichu, and very cool. Definitely not his typical work. Hollyhock is one of my absolute favorite works of his. The home has a very ancient temple-like appeal to it. I also really like the Storer house (also in L.A.) as it has a similar feel to it. Hollyhock House ![]() Storer House: ![]() _____________________
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