Should An Establishment Be Forced to Give Management Land Permissions for Postings?

Im not sure about what's going on, however; I've heard that there is yet a new System coming that will Force Owners of an Establishment to Give Management Land Permissions to be able to Post Events. Why is this happening? If you run a Club or Establishment 24 hours a day, how in the hell can one or two owners operate it and Post Events for the public? The Owner will simply be overworked!

If you own a Club or Establishment and have items and or vendors or what not; and you are forced to give land permissions in order for the Managers to Post Events; suppose there is an Employee dispute and one decides, well; I'll fix that owner right up! Owner comes in and all his/her stuff is gone even the Club! This is totally ridiculous and yet another attempt to stifle Entertainment Establishments in my book as well as the economy and putting the Establishment owner at risk of Sabotage! This is Ludicrus and makes me wonder why this policy is being considered or currently implemented.

A girlfriend of mine is also in Management, so; she is going to lose her Job unless the Owner makes a decision to give her Land Permissions? Put yourself in this situation as an Owner with several managers and tell me bluntly, would you trust them with your land??

It is a stifling to Capitalism and Commerce plain and simple! I do not believe in this Policy for major establishments with employees; it is simply forcing downsizing.

Do you believe that this should be allowed? I DO NOT!

Arts and Entertainment Representative.
Best Regards
Blake Rockwell.

What has me upset the most about all these changes were that they were put in with absolutely NO warning.

The event guidelines? Unchanged

Announcements forum? No Post

Instructions for posting an event? Unchanged


I'll deal with whatever changes they make - however, give me some warning so I can make adjustments as neccesary. Even right now - you'd never know any changes were made unless you try & post and have it fail.

I'm sure these changes were made with the intention of making things better..... but the COMMUNICATION was awful on this one.

Hey, I know what that's like!

I would suggest that all those being affected by these idiotic changes, which indeed stifle capitalism as was so rightly put, give the Lindens perhaps 24-48 hours to look at changing this. Meanwhile, keep peppering them with e-mails in and out of the game, and forum posts. And form a group, called Entertainment Providers or something simple like that, which we can all join and instantly display that there are X number of voices in favor of not changing this events posting to this new rule.

Next, if there isn't action within like 48 hours, let's say, consider just posting your events exactly as you always have done, which in effect will be a kind of "civil disobedience" but one which I can't believe will have any consequences because surely the Lindens will "get it"? And if they don't "get it" you will help them to "get it".

I agree with your statment concerning communication, however; the main issue is making an establishment vaulnerable to Sabotage by a disgruntled employee. This is a violation of Land Ownership Rights in my book! Forcing downsizing and or the risk of Sabotage for an establishment of such a size that it has no other choice but to downsize, cutback hours and layoff employees is a direct violation of Land Ownership Rights and what should be Civil Liberties! People pay you for land they buy, they should be protected agains't this and should have contractual rights of Corporate Policy, Law and Order!

No doubt, Blake - yours, and Prok's concerns go without saying

I feel exactly the same way. The reason I don't have my land deeded to a group, and take advantage of the 10% tier bonus - is that there are fundimental flaws in the group system.

--No way for Group Creator to maintain control of group/land
--Recall Elections can be started by any member
--No way for Group Creator to remove an officer after the fact
--By deeding my land to a group, I put myself in jeoprady of losing my land


I think I'll stop typing now before I make an ass of myself showing just how pissed off I really am...

Coming? They already made the change. And to be honest, I have access to some pretty strange parcels. I don't know which group it is, but one of them must own have of freaking Mein because I have like a dozen places there under events. I can hold an event at "FREE VIDEO HERE" if I wanted. Now that sounds like a neat place. Most of the groups I am in are for malls. That makes my event location list look very amusing.

Im not even going to attempt to understand your point. Let me make it simple, open a club and spend about $1000 U.S. dollars knowing your establishment will need more than you just running it and posting events, tell me you will trust all of our management to keep your property intact with land permissions.

Umm..what are you talking about? I handed over the day-to-day running of Perilous Pleasures to stpaulsub Clio, because I desperately needed a break. She doesn't have land management rights, yet still posts all events that take place at the club.

So that's not how it is now.

As to what it will be, how do you know that is going to change? And if so, why?

If that's not how it is now, then talk to Jenna Fairplay owner of "The Edge" Nightclub; maybe I missed something, or maybe this is all hearsay. But I talked to Mick Linden regarding it. Maybe you want to get it clearified for us. As far as I know, this policy was just implemented.

This is yet another LL decision made in a vacuum. Glad I'm not much into hosting events, anymore...

When was this implemented if so? I know Clio posted events for this week..on Sunday I think. And how does it work? You are saying as you go to post an event, it somehow corss references your name with the location given for the event and checks to see if you can edit that land?

Or am I missing something?

If it has changed since Sunday, then I will be a bit peeved myself. This, along with the no TP'ing into a full sim, seem to be both directed at Club/Event businesses within SL.

From my understanding YES. And also from my assumption it was implemented last night, I do not know any of this as fact yet, only what I was told by a Head Manager that I know very well and she is of great character and reputation. Also from owner of The Edge and as well from a Linden, however; the Linden said they will be posting a Clearification ASAP today.

I'm not even going to attempt to understand your point. See, how do you like it?

Good job guys, thanks for the votes. Looks promising.

Best Regards
Blake Rockwell
Arts and Entertainment Representative.

As I read it, the whole point is to reduce the number of events posted to a reasonable amount - 3 per day per parcel or per owner. If you're running something 24/7 then more than 3 events seems to leave the realm of "events" and more like "ongoing activities at the club".

Would McDonald's advertise that, indeed, they will serve fast food at 4pm - 5pm? No, they serve it 24/7. People have been exploiting and overusing the event posting system to get free advertising for their non-event activitites.

Further, events can be posted in advanced, and an owner who plans in advance could post a whole week of events in a short amount of time. Your assessment that they will be overworked is inaccurate, I believe.


Indeed, what you suggest is ludicrous.
Or do you mean, Ludacris?



Well, let's say I'm a CEO of a construction company. Am I going to do all the digging and contruction myself? Let's say I own a casino. Am I going to be the only one would controls the land? Pick up the garbage? Maintain the buildings? Deal with the real estate and legal dealings with the properties? No, other people do that.


Honestly, Blake, do you even take the time to consider the counter-arguments of your issues before you post them? I believe that your suggestion is what stifles entertainment - doing it the way it has been done spams the events listing with lots of events and makes legit events harder to find and recognise. The change, I think, will improve consumer's ability to find events and thus improve attendance.

Events can be a joke now. So many clubs put up multiple events all day long. I almost think some have a macro for it. I went to a very popular club (wont name them) because they were holding a costume event. I went there and guess what? They were all naked! LOL! I guess your birthday suit is a costume and everyone had the same thing on. I soon realized it was one of those "post a random event to see if anyone shows and if someone bothers to even mention the event we'll hand out some money" (which usually is won by the staff of the club due to most votes reguardless of their worthiness). I probably should have stuck around and demanded the event. Would have loved to finished in 5th place in a costume contest and the top 4 being all naked.

UM if this is the club i think it is it was "birthday suit" event Not a costume event..........this was no trick! It was what it was posted as writen ..........so whats your point?!

Money/Events won by staff? come on its voting not and by those that are attenting the event. There is no fixing, as for the money..............Hell........I dont get hit at all! All radom thoughts with little real meat to this crying.........Besides nobody told you to attend the event you went there onyour own free will.

Personally I think LL is just tired of paying the dwell money that is being generated by the multiple posts. The funny thing is LL is the one who made it necessary for these establishments, especially islands, to survive by cutting out any support for their events. So the solution was to generate as many events as you could find hosts for and get as much dwell as you could, simply to survive another day and be able to do it all over again.

So my thought is that LL is tired of giving out its profit via dwell so another crackdown had to be made and something taken away from us. There's no other explanation for making such a drastic change without any warning (in fact they didn't post the announcement for approximately 12 hrs after the change was made). This is definitely an issue that should have been opened as a dialogue between LL and SL players. Instead it was snuck in much the way the Colts left Baltimore (for all you American football fans).

ooo thats salt in a wound..*look at location under name* LOL

The only problem with posting your place is having events 24/7 is that the calendar is not designed like that. It is designed for time postings within the day for events not
ongoing events. So you have to post it once at 6 am then hope everyone looks at your post at the time for that day.

So why didn't they break it down? As stated in other posts, categories should have been their objective. You have to put the event in a category when you post it, why not give the option to list those same categories when you view in world?
Half the code is there....I bet they spent more time putting in the workflow measures to prevent the postings than they would have to spent parsing out to categories.