Curious so thought I would ask..

I wasn't sure where to post this but just wanted an opinion.. though I know it's been discussed ad nauseum about neighbors who have what you might think is an ugly build, and then they don't like your build, and they also gripe about the fact you make your land on the private option, and say that such provide access problems to their store.

An issue a friend of mine is having right now and While I've been at her place, I've seen the neighbors openly talking about how they can see us talk in spatial so why have the privacy thing up? Big deal, we all know conversations can be observed in spatial. As for why people keep land private, so they don't come home and see strange people walking in their homes,etc, who knows? I don't pay their land fees or make the big ugly red fence there that shows up for no entry, admittedly, that's ugly to see, probably.. Anyway, if the person's prims overlap your land a bit, and that's mm.. shall we say bothersome, can you do anything about it? Just curious.

Sorry if there was information about this elsewhere, did a search and saw nothing, and I never really hang on the forums..so.. indeed.

Your friend can try to autoreturn it, but chances are they've tried already.

You can abuse report it or bug a Liason to come have a look. If said overlap is a blatant offense, the Liasons/Abuse Team will usually get the offending party to comply.

But if it's not all that much, you'll have to bug the neighbor to move it.

We seem to be seeing more and more of these ugly and anti-social things in second life. Total privacy is impossible, but if you need to keep away from others' eyes then it is easy enough to do without putting in these systems, which deface not only your property but the neighbouring ones as well.

Is there an outbreak of rampant paranoia, I wonder that makes people so anxious to withdraw from normal social discourse?

You can also think of it as Governor Linden saying that you need to buy more land. This perspective may or may not make you feel better, however.

Actually, at this point, the world is big enough that sufficiently motivated people should have little trouble finding a place that is empty enough to keep from being accidentally overheard. No matter how much people would like SL to ensure some privacy, it really doesn't, hasn't, and isn't likely to, especially as the the Terms of Service say that the Lindens may listen in on you if they wish.

Unfortunately, being a nosey jerk or building a little onto your land isn't against the rules.

I think part of the trouble is that terms like "your land" are used which people typically associate with some expectation of privacy. This is not unlike Sapir's realization that "empty gasoline tank" doesn't quite mean to sparks what it does to people.

Introvert,

Yes, but what I can't understand is why they have the expectation of privacy in the first place. Second Life is first and foremost a community. What do you get out of it if you spend all your time in your house concerned that someone might see you or overhear your conversation?

To me one of the pleasures of second life is to come to my house and to find a stranger wandering about. It is nice to know that other people are interested enough to discover for themselves what it looks like inside.

Also, in Second Life, people wandering your house is not a problem, because they can't TAKE anything you haven't explicity set. They typically can't turn on the TV unless the script is coded that way; they can't copy your sex balls unless you have permission to allow them to take a copy.

There are also tools for keeping people out, but I've always found these to be fairly lame and anti-social. If privacy is really, really, really that important, then the best method is to get the people you want to have access together, purchase a sim, and keep it invisible.

As far as ugly builds, it is difficult. What gets under my skin isn't so much ugly builds, but people hogging server resources through really bad code. 1.7 should help with this problem a bit. The problem with something like "ugly builds" is that beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder.

Regards,

-Flip

There are a couple of things that you might consider, the first of which is trees. Trees hide a great many sins of aesthetics. Everyone has the basic Linden-made trees in the Library folder in their inventory.

Also consider that land turnover in SL is frequent. I've lived next to several eyesore builds that usually went away after a few months; just be polite and pleasant to your neighbors and don't start any wars.

Assuming you haven't already destroyed the relationship with the neighbor, you might mention to them that the path to privacy (not total, but pretty darn close) is up. Put spaces they want private at 150m or above. Teleporters are available for cheap at many locations and can be set to only be used by a specific list of avatars.

Lastly, unless you are private sim owner, there isn't ever going to be a point where you look out and love every build in your draw distance. Just learn to live with them and focus on the pleasant things; we tend to see what we are looking for so if you are looking for flaws or ugly, you will tend to find it fairly easy.

... get it out with "Optrex" !

( sorry couldn't resist ! )



It's one thing finding a nice space to build in, it's quite another hanging on to it. I've always thought forcing us to buy land right on top of each other is a bad design. It's a virtual world, not like the map HAS to be a rigid grid.

My solution to the eyesore thing was to lower my land and build my house underwater. That way I don't have to look out my window at the ugly-assed advertising blimp a couple parcels away.

The area I'm in, Pinastri, was recently opened as first land and it didn't take long for the speculators to show up.

Personally, I agree with you completely. If I was interested in privacy I wouldn't log on. I was simply noting that many do have some unrealistic expectation, perhaps guided by the language used to describe it.

While I agree with you, I do not feel that everyone does/should have this opinion. The sense of community does not mean that people shouldn't use the tools at their disposal to create whatever environment they choose.

I do find it slightly humorous that it was clearly pointed out that Muse knows people can listen and see, noting "Big deal, we all know conversations can be observed in spatial," while complaining about hearing the neighbor complain. As Muse points out, "big deal" if they want to stand around pointing and whispering about you.

Tip for the Day: Be a good neighbor and maybe you'll have a good neighbor.

I find it slightly humorous that it is assumed I was complaining about 'hearing' the neighbors complain, but perhaps it did indeed come across that way.

::Chuckles.:: I don't see where I said I was complaining, for I wasn't.. if I was complaining, as blunt as I am, I would have simply stated I was complaining about that and stated it quite bluntly such as, "I have a complaint about them saying they can see my spatial! OMG!" That was me observing I saw them comment on it, and it got us all talking in fact about the issue, go figure.

Mmm, my bad if my wording seemed like I was complaining about their observation and seeing it, not my intention.

They were actually complaining that they could see us talking, and I was was noting that this is a common occurence in SL, so why complain about it all?

In short, there is no true privacy in SL, so not really a point to complain about a thing that can't be changed or helped IE, seeing people's remarks in spatial, which they were complaining about.

Perhaps that clarifies what I meant? Hm, if not, ah, well. I should have been more clear in the fact, the neighbors were complaining they could see our spatial remarks from their land, next door, while I was being given a tour of my friend's place.

So like you said, 'big deal' indeed that they are pointing it out. I could really have cared less that they were.

Their right to do so.

But, my original wondering was indeed, why have a privacy thing up? I had to ask her about that, seems pointless to me, but that's me.

As for the ugly build issue, that's just something I've always wondered, and indeed beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As for the prims overlapping, the best course is to indeed ask them to remove it, which I told her to do so today, and the person did. Situation handled.

Tip of my day - Do unto others as you have them do unto you, so indeed, be a good neighbor and generally, you'll get that in return, true.