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Cash flow positive - the inflection point?

blaze Spinnaker
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06-15-2005 00:09
Quick poll:

Are you holding back significant investment time and capital until SL becomes cash flow positive?
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Jeffrey Gomez
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06-15-2005 00:17
Hardly. The stuff I write just happens to be very mobile to any language of choice. Math is math. 3D concepts are 3D concepts. Art is art.

... though I will work on a way to store stuff offline, some day. For now, I'm not fearful for the state of Second Life.

Unlike the traditional MMOG lifecycle, Second Life is the gift that keeps on giving - because we make the content. That is, to me, the essence of stability over time. Users have kept many titles running long after their "commercial" life was over. I feel the same rule applies here.
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blaze Spinnaker
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06-15-2005 00:19
Well, I'm asking more from the perspective of someone interested in ROI than someone who is an early adopter who likes the bleeding edge.

Which perspective are you responding too?
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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Adam Zaius
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06-15-2005 00:31
*cough biased poll cough*
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Jeffrey Gomez
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06-15-2005 00:37
From: blaze Spinnaker
Well, I'm asking more from the perspective of someone interested in ROI than someone who is an early adopter who likes the bleeding edge.

Which perspective are you responding too?

I would say this depends on what you want out of it. A cash flow is not my concern, but if LL publicly traded stock tomorrow, I would buy it.

What I get out of it is another form of capital - skills and experience. This, to me, is my return on the investment of my time.
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blaze Spinnaker
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06-15-2005 00:39
From: someone

*cough biased poll cough


How is it biased?

If you are familar with the nature of investment, you will know that greater risk = greater reward.

Sitting by like a wallflower when people are chosing dance partners gets you matched up with the freaks.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Surreal Farber
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06-15-2005 02:32
I'm not investing much more than time until I can form legal contracts enforcable in game with people other than those I actually know in RL.

Even though I know that early investors have the potential to win big, I don't have that kind of risk taking attitude.
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Rhysling Greenacre
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06-15-2005 02:39
What happened to playing games for fun :D
Kevn Klein
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06-15-2005 04:45
This is a game? gasp!!!!
Stephane Zugzwang
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06-15-2005 05:03
Where did did you get information about SL's cash flow ? Is there information available on LL's finance somewhere ?

I'd really be happy and curious to see it, I find SL so fascinating.
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Prokofy Neva
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06-15-2005 05:06
No, it's not their cash flow that is a factor, it's my cash flow :D
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Lora Morgan
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06-15-2005 05:53
From: blaze Spinnaker
How is it biased?

If you are familar with the nature of investment, you will know that greater risk = greater reward.


It's biased because your questions make the assumption that SL has an uncertain future and that any investment now is a risk. If you added answers like...

[ ] Not holding back because SL looks like it will be around a long time
[ ] Yes, holding back but for other reasons
[ ] I don't invest in SL
[ ] I spend money in SL regardless of its future

...then this poll may have been useful.
Travis Lambert
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06-15-2005 06:56
I voted other. To me, and the way I invest in SL - LL's cash flow is irrelevant.
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Colette Meiji
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06-15-2005 07:03
Hasnt it allready been around about 1/5 as long as the internet?

LOL - long time is extremely relative when your talking Computer Technologies.

It seems popular, theres new people all the time, I meet a lot of people who, Like me, are only a couple months old here.

Id like to propose the Last name Little -

so Blaze can have a *Chicken Little* alt - much more useful for all these "the sky is falling" posts.
Agatha Palmerstone
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Join date: 23 Jan 2005
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06-15-2005 08:23
I think SL is actually improving, socio-economically in a lot of ways.

1. Many of the big old developers are losing steam and bailing out.
This is not a bad thing or a warning sign. It is part of a healthy economy. Law of diminishing returns, it's a sign of healthy competition driving the profit margins down.

2. Inflation is slowing down finally.
Nothing, and I mean nothing, can destroy a society as thoroughly as currency devaluation. It's insidious and subtle, but it touches everything.

3. The rental market is becoming more widespread.
This is part of a larger trend toward economic diversification, which is also good.

As I can tell, SL made an economic transition from wacky techno-socialism to land fascism, and then weimar-style decadence... now it seems to be finally hitting it's stride.
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