Griefing Griefers

It has become prevalant that more and more people whine about Griefers. Now wait, What does a griefer do again?

Thats right.. they whine!!! I spend less time on a particular sim, which happens to be my favorite sim, simply because some of the people in the group have grief fests about griefers.

Here's a suggestion, BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET OVER IT!!!

It has also become clear that in these grief-fests Joe Avi will get wrongly labeled, yet in the fit of passionate griefing, Joe Avi winds up being alienated. Heres another suggestion. GROW UP!!! If you werent whining about griefers in the first place none of that would have happened.

Now its not my business what you think about Joe Avi, but I certainly see it as very immature to trash Joe Avi, just for griefing sake. If you spew on about Joe Avi, you are in turn becomming a griefer.


now some boob is going to come along and reply to my post saying, that im griefing the griefers that grief griefers.

More power to ya buddy

No, you are not griefing, you are stating your opinion. However, it just so happens that your opinion sucks. I mean, give me a break! Complaining about griefers is griefing griefers. Where did you come up with that? That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard on these forums. It sounds like something I would expect a 6 year old to say. Maybe you just aren't getting your point across correctly. Maybe it's your phrasing. I dunno. I suspect however one of 2 things. Either you are a minor who shouldn't be here in the first place which would explain the immature thinking. Or, you are an alt account sent to us by someone to troll, and stir up tjust this kind of personal attack I am making on you right now. Hmm, Darwin? That you?

Wait a minute...

*sketches a series of lines and arrows out on a blackboard in puzzlement*

If we hadn't... done something in response to something that was done to us initialy, then the... initial action wouldnt have happened, because...

*dials phone*

Hello? Stephen Hawking? Can I explain something to you... yeah... uhhuh... Well, see, heres the deal...

*stephen hawkings head explodes*

Ooookaaaay... I think what we have here is a failure to understand that event A happning at 1 pm on monday is the cause of, not the result of, an event happening on 2pm that same day.

both of your posts scream loudly my point. you complain for complaints sake. one guy throws the " you're a baby" attack, which i might add, my son of 9 years no longer uses, while the other throws the "look at me im a clown" tactic. neither one of them even spent a moment to look at the issue.


Now the only comment that was worthy of a reply was that, people are not griefing, they are voicing an opinion. Tell me, if its just voicing an opinion, than griefing it self is not griefing, but just voicing an opinion. Then the entire column of rants about griefers no longer apply and we should all just grow up and move on right?

Doubt it.

I think there is probably no point in discussing this with you, as you have your viewpoint, but I'm going to try anyhow.

Griefing: Going out of your way to harrass, annoy, and irritate people who were in no way harming you before you did so.

Griefing != "voicing an opinion".

Placing hundreds of 10x10x10 prims of pictures so horrible I shudder to remember them on the land of many, many people != "voicing an opinion", any more than driving down a street at night in a pickup truck with your drunken buddies and paintballing everyones houses and cars does.

Agreed with Reitsuki. Griefing is not just whining. Although sometimes whining can turn into griefing, it's not a narrow definition both ways.

Someone who goes out of their way to harass someone else is griefing. And by the logic you seem to be demanding acknowledgement for, Homey, those who are the victims of griefers should just shut up and take it.

I'm afraid I have to disagree with that.

I'm sincerely honored, Homey, that you speak of my Bridge to a nonreactive mind! but I feel that I have to notify everyone else, that unlike Homey, we do not sponsor the mounting of Truck Nutz on your Ford F-350, along with "NO WHINERS!" Bumper stickers. There are much better ways to express your toughness, such as helping another or indeed being a stoic, supportive member of the community. Or wearing Wrangler jeans and chewing Skoal.

Tarryk, Reitsuki, and Devlin: You have to understand that to some folks being "tough" is extremely important. To these, "whining" can be the greatest sin as it is, in itself, an affront to machismo.

To others, the "Suck it Up at All Costs" image is not so important. It would be advised that Homey minds his own business indeed, and his original post bears a striking resemblance to "whining" in itself; moreso than any abuse report or legitimate harrassment complaint.

Griefers can indeed be Suppressive persons, and can disable entire events or areas with ther out-ethics actions. Speaking poorly of someone who has intent to disrupt and do harm is hardly whining; once you commit such an act you cannot expect to be protected.

What you are speaking of, Homey, is an escape from accountability. When someone "griefs", you are saying that those affected by the behavior should tolerate, and not reciprocate negatively upon the griefer.

While avoiding negative people is always the best policy, those who wish to cause trouble also have to answer to their own actions. They have to be accountable. I'm not saying that a single action makes a person Fair Game, but that some retributive response should indeed be expected, and the onus of tolerance is biased more towards the offender than the offendee.

Homey, Contact me in-game for some free Auditing, and we can get rid of some of those nasty engrams!

Sounds a lot like you're just tired of all those whiney people complaining about -your- griefing.

I disagree. I am not whining here about griefers. I am attacking your logic and thought processes. I accused you of being a minor because you seem to think like one. If you are not a minor, then you really shouldn't post when drunk or on drugs.

Return greifer: Learn to stop talking in circles and someday you will convince your family that you can handle your own apartment.

Man, throwing the "you're a stoner" attack, which I might add, my pusher of 9 years no longer uses. I'm offended.

Hands Julian A little plastic cup and points to the bathroom. SL has instituted random testing.

Well, what I'd like to know... Is it griefing when you grief the griefers that are griefing the griefers that started the griefing?

Sarah, your question is answered in the first part, "Is it griefing when you grief?" Stop there and consider.

It's seems to be basic human nature to escalate during retaliation. If you disagree look at any RL situation that involves a water balloon.


Try thinking about what the griefer expects of you and do exactly the opposite, if you do it right you it can be rather entertaining. I've a vew approaches for dealing with griefers, which I use depending on instinct and my playfulness level.

1) The Noisy Newbie: You would be surprized how many stop griefing if you ask them to, nicely. Many times the newbie is just having boisterous explorative fun. This is their first time with the firework launcher after all, so of course they'll assume you're just as excited about it. However if you ask in such a way that implies that you're looking down on them, or you're whining, they'll continue just to spite you. Be cool, show you're cool and they'll be more likely to follow along.

2) Amateur Griefer: The big talker. These are fun. Surprize them by agreeing with EVERYTHING they say, and embellish if you like and add bits of false praise.

3) Sniper Griefer: The Big Guns. Not so much fun as they tend to be cowardly. They straffe and fly off. If you can, tell them that the rules of engagement clearly state that you should only fire on someone brandishing a weapon, civilians in safe zones can be invited/challenged but not fired on. Then challeng them, name the sim, (jessie preferrably), tell them to be there in 10 minutes and they'll get their backside handed to them. 10 minutes later... show up, or not. Doesn't really matter as the griefer probably won't show up either. If you both DO and you duke it out... "win" if you want but if you lose, you're more likely to have encouraged that griefer to approach battle a little more honorably.

4) The Wronged: Worst kind of griefer. This is the kind that has interpreted something you've done or said (or haven't done or said) as a direct, hurtful attack on their person. They are now entitled to do anything within their power to seek retribution on you, including very passionate lying. You can recognize the type if you're lucky, but usually only after it's too late. These psychotic nutcases are trolling to be victims and will trick you into it eventually. Trying to apologize only validates their right to be offended. These types can also be cowardly. Don't play by their rules, if you try to out-victim a professional victim, you'll lose, in more ways than one. Honesty and detachement are the best policy. Stick to "You can feel that way if you want to, but it won't change anything." These kinds of liars ruin their own credibility fast enough. The more affected by the lies you are, the more people will think they're true.

5) The Rumored Linden Griefer: Yes, the dreaded rogue admin. What to do when the powers that be grief you? Run away. Run very far away.

It's my opinion that griefers are people who would rather give us reason to reject them rather than suffer the pain of trying to fit in and be nice... and be rejected anyway. (and of course made worse by the anonymity and safety that people have online.)

Wonderfully put!

Have you hugged a griefer today?

We need buttons and tshirts

You logic makes baby jesus cry.