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paulie Femto

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08-06-2005 13:27

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blaze Spinnaker

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08-06-2005 13:39

Is this off topic or am I missing something?

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paulie Femto

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Ot

08-06-2005 13:43

Yea. It's OT. Sorry.

Just thought it was neat.

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Jeska Linden

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08-07-2005 10:34

Moved to Off-Topic. Please be sure to post your forum threads in the appropriate places!

Arcadia Codesmith

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08-09-2005 08:50

If somebody without connections in the Paramount "family" were trying to do a project like this, the lawyers would be on them like politicians on pork. But this site is cruising by without so much as a single copyright/trademark notice (except for a lengthy bit of boilerplate about the production company's IP).

But if Paramount wants to abdicate their rights to the original series by not enforcing them, far be it from me to discourage it. I've got some ideas of my own...

I'm interested to see what they've done, but I'm put off by the blunt refusal to allow the fan community to collaborate on any aspect of the project. I guess I've been spoiled by Second Life, where the fan community IS the production.

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Jake Reitveld

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08-09-2005 09:28

Paramount gave its approval for the fans to borrow the IP, paramount is not sleeping on the rights to star trek, they simply authorized this use. It is my understanding Paramount provided the producers with lengthy guidelines on how to treat various aspects of Star Trek.

In general fan films and fan fic and such get away with it because they do not charge others for the end product. Paramount will "lend" intellectual property to you if you are not charging others for it, and properly assert Paramounts copyright.

On the flip side, if you want to use Paramount's IP to make a profit of your own, then you must negotiate a license. That is a very diferent animal.

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Arcadia Codesmith

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08-09-2005 10:31

From: Jake Reitveld

Paramount gave its approval for the fans to borrow the IP, paramount is not sleeping on the rights to star trek, they simply authorized this use. It is my understanding Paramount provided the producers with lengthy guidelines on how to treat various aspects of Star Trek.

In general fan films and fan fic and such get away with it because they do not charge others for the end product. Paramount will "lend" intellectual property to you if you are not charging others for it, and properly assert Paramounts copyright.

Viacom, owners of Paramount, vigorously enforce their IP with "cease and desist" orders against infringing fan sites, most of which don't charge their users a penny.

If Paramount approved New Voyages, that's great. That approval should appear on the site.

If the rules differ depending on who you know, well... welcome to the Beltway, business as usual.

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Dianne Mechanique

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08-09-2005 11:05

From: paulie Femto

Sweet!
http://www.newvoyages.com/

Am I crazy or is there no mention on the site of them having the legal rights to the entities in question?

Every Trek fan (me included), has had this fantasy of doing this sort of thing, but I always thought Paramount would squash you like a bug.

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paulie Femto Into the dark Join date: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1,098	08-06-2005 13:27 Sweet! http://www.newvoyages.com/ _____________________ REUTERS on SL: "Thirty-five thousand people wearing their psyches on the outside and all the attendant unfettered freakishness that brings."
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	08-06-2005 13:39 Is this off topic or am I missing something? _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
paulie Femto Into the dark Join date: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1,098	Ot 08-06-2005 13:43 Yea. It's OT. Sorry. Just thought it was neat. _____________________ REUTERS on SL: "Thirty-five thousand people wearing their psyches on the outside and all the attendant unfettered freakishness that brings."
Jeska Linden Administrator Join date: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 2,388	08-07-2005 10:34 Moved to Off-Topic. Please be sure to post your forum threads in the appropriate places!
Arcadia Codesmith Not a guest Join date: 8 Dec 2004 Posts: 766	08-09-2005 08:50 If somebody without connections in the Paramount "family" were trying to do a project like this, the lawyers would be on them like politicians on pork. But this site is cruising by without so much as a single copyright/trademark notice (except for a lengthy bit of boilerplate about the production company's IP). But if Paramount wants to abdicate their rights to the original series by not enforcing them, far be it from me to discourage it. I've got some ideas of my own... I'm interested to see what they've done, but I'm put off by the blunt refusal to allow the fan community to collaborate on any aspect of the project. I guess I've been spoiled by Second Life, where the fan community IS the production. _____________________ "I like you better when you start pretending to be the person you want to be" - David Thomas
Jake Reitveld Emperor of Second Life Join date: 9 Mar 2005 Posts: 2,690	08-09-2005 09:28 Paramount gave its approval for the fans to borrow the IP, paramount is not sleeping on the rights to star trek, they simply authorized this use. It is my understanding Paramount provided the producers with lengthy guidelines on how to treat various aspects of Star Trek. In general fan films and fan fic and such get away with it because they do not charge others for the end product. Paramount will "lend" intellectual property to you if you are not charging others for it, and properly assert Paramounts copyright. On the flip side, if you want to use Paramount's IP to make a profit of your own, then you must negotiate a license. That is a very diferent animal. _____________________ ALCHEMY -clothes for men. Lebeda 208,209
Arcadia Codesmith Not a guest Join date: 8 Dec 2004 Posts: 766	08-09-2005 10:31 From: Jake Reitveld Paramount gave its approval for the fans to borrow the IP, paramount is not sleeping on the rights to star trek, they simply authorized this use. It is my understanding Paramount provided the producers with lengthy guidelines on how to treat various aspects of Star Trek. In general fan films and fan fic and such get away with it because they do not charge others for the end product. Paramount will "lend" intellectual property to you if you are not charging others for it, and properly assert Paramounts copyright. Viacom, owners of Paramount, vigorously enforce their IP with "cease and desist" orders against infringing fan sites, most of which don't charge their users a penny. If Paramount approved New Voyages, that's great. That approval should appear on the site. If the rules differ depending on who you know, well... welcome to the Beltway, business as usual. _____________________ "I like you better when you start pretending to be the person you want to be" - David Thomas
Dianne Mechanique Back from the Dead Join date: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2,648	08-09-2005 11:05 From: paulie Femto Sweet! http://www.newvoyages.com/ Am I crazy or is there no mention on the site of them having the legal rights to the entities in question? Every Trek fan (me included), has had this fantasy of doing this sort of thing, but I always thought Paramount would squash you like a bug. _____________________ . black art furniture & classic clothing =================== Black in Neufreistadt Black @ ONE Black @ www.SLBoutique.com .

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