Estate Owners: Did you know...

Maybe it's just me. Maybe everyone else who owns a private island already knows this. I didn't. Frankly, I'm more than a little bemused by it...





You got all that, right? So... if I want my island to be private, then I would probably have to wait around 16 hours or so to make sure that *every* person who might have been logged on when it was still public has since logged off and are therefore not seeing it. Unless they have a landmark, in which case no matter what privacy settings you have, they can circumvent it.

Did you know that estate tools and privacy settings were this useless?

Did you know landmarks were so powerful as to negate all estate tool settings? Although using one will result in the visitor being griefed into a corner and in all likelihood crashing.

Do you think this is good enough?

It all boils down to the hashed way in which Estate Tools were implemented in the first place. They were stuck on with sticky tape and are woefully ineffective at doing the job it appears that they should do - I've encountered this a lot and it has caused me great problems.

The tools were quickly added, I don't believe they were thought about properly or integrated in a way that made sense or even worked correctly with other non-estate access tools. On the face of it the Estate Tools offer high functionality for access restrictions. The problem is that they don't actually work properly.

Also, if you're on an invisible island that happens to be adjacent to a visible one, bear in mind that people using non-physical vehicles may be able to get in, since anyone with an llSetPos script can get across the sim border between the visible and invisible sims.

I was under the impression if your island was set to not visible, it was only visible to those on the access list, that you CHOOSE to know its visible?

Seems kind of pointless having Estate tools, if you can't ACTUALLY choose who can see and who cannot see your island.

Actually if your sim is joined to another the visibility tools don't work at all as people on the next sim can see your island and just walk across to it - no need to vehicles, physical or otherwise. In addition when joined access restrictions and ban lists do not work at all - if you want to ban somebody from your land you have to have every joined sim ban them and, even then, it might not work in my experience.

Basically the Estate Tools are fairly worthless. If you join sims together they become even worse.

Thats what I thought too! But in fact you have to wait til the last person in the entire grid has logged out since you made it private. Unless anyone on the grid at all has ever Landmarked your property....

So basically, if your island has been private since you got it, it prolly works. If you want to change the status some time down the road - forget it.

Also I'd like to add that the tools are restricted in height, if you teleport into a sim that won't allow you, get thrown to the corner -- if you're fast enough and flight-script enabled, you can punch up to 1,000m and be over the main landmass before there's time for the bans to do anything to you.

Yeah, they are pretty anemic.

Thats interesting, Maxx... given the comments from another part of the same email...

Yes, I had somebody who I had banned from my sim be able to get back into the sim and sit high up doing whatever they pleased, so I've seen this in practice. Whether this can still happen I don't know, this was months ago when it happened.

Oh kris, I didn't read that part....but yeah...

I was nosy one day, and punched into Nowall that way -- got the banlines, etc...but I found if I was fast enough, and had a certain flightscript enabled and ready on teleport, I pretty much could punch up really high and sit there -- if I got down to 30m or whatever it would give me the usual 'banned' messages, but not really do much, just bounce me along.

Not the answer you'd like, I'm sure, but it does seem to be as anemic as the mainland sims which is logically consistent if disappointing. I'd be happy to help you test if you'd like some verification.

Valana & I learned abuot this when we were trying to set up the "Someone let the bunnies out" contest last month. Someone was able to port in because they had a LM. Ultimately we ended up having to use a security script running off an access list to prevent anyone from coming onto the island that wasn't supposed to. Not a huge deal really BUT it's not something one should feel they should HAVE to do on a "private" island sim.

Lash and I bought a sim and even though we have it invisible, set to group only, and locked down people still have been popping in on us.several were using old landmarks to the sim have no clue how or where the others got in.

This still happens. I banned an alt to check it and sure enough I could get into the sim but I couldn't land anywhere unless it was high up.