OMG! Somebody explain the mentality to me, I don't get it

OK, I owned one helluva lot of land, but I moved in RL and now I have to cut waaay back on stuff so I was selling off land to get back down to 4096.

In gualala I own some beautiful waterway land, a lot of it underwater. Tonight I get my mail and someones asking me if they bought it, can they raise it up above water!!

WHAT?? I mean JEEZUS! Do you REALLY have this little respect for everyone else? A lot of people LIKE the waterways, and some people don't seem to give a crap! I don't get it. Some things I just can't wrap my head around and this is one of them.

WHY? Why would anyone do that?? Why? It's just SO selfish I don't get it. Can anyone explain this type of person to me? Please! Or better yet, if someone reading this IS that type of person, please tell me what sort of selfish bastard you are to take something so many people enjoy and just wreck it.

I just have to know.

Hmmm, if I buy the land maybe I can let people bribe me NOT to raise the land. Just a little monthly fee. From several hundred folks. Say 1000 lindens a month each?

I just bought a large piece of land; first time I've had land since January. I fought with myself over whether or not I would terraform because apparently using that tool is poor ettiquette in this game. In the end, I went for it; heck, if I'm paying X amount of L$ per square meter, I have every right to work the land to my liking.

My Feelings are a bit mixed on the issue. I am all for terraforming on land - hell theres some some eyesores of huge housing "balancing" on tips of land - but if you do terraform, try and make it fit in with the existing land as best you can. - ie I smooth out all the edge of my land these days, so I dont have ridiculous rises in my land.

As for buying underwater - well you shouldnt terraform. you know you are buying underwater land, so use it appropriately.

I have nothing against terraforming, Sulumor had some wonderfully landscaped land during 1.0...

... however 90% of people don't really 'terraform' - they bulldoze -- and thats just plain ugly.

Personal opinion there.

Siggy.

terraforming classes begin today at mount szabo park. i've included the discussion of issues, such as underwater land and smoothing edges, in the outline.

we'll be conducting at least one, hopefully two, of these a week as long as they're well attended. being the metaverse, it'll be pretty easy for me to convince people that their terraforming routines should include preserving waterways & blending with surrounding landscapes.

you're welcome.

Too cool, I have been waiting for a terraforming class.

I must admit when I first came to SL and started building Zoe Airfield (RIP), I removed a sizeable pond and made the eastern shoreline very straight and uniform where I wasn't able to raise it above the water.

I did it because at the time I didn't have any understanding at all of what makes an attractive and polished-looking environment. I believe it takes time and trial-and-error for most newcomers to understand this, just as it did for me.

On the other hand, there are people who have been members for a considerable amount of time who still remove all the water and make land completely flat without any obvious reason. I have no excuse for them.

As someone once said (I have no friggen clue who....but)"While I may not agree with what you are doing, I will defend to my death your right to do it"

Do I like people screwing up linden terraformed land? Hell no. Is it their right? Yes.

Hey, at least they asked.

If someone wants land and not water, I don't see why they'd buy your land in the first place, Jellin. We shared a cool little island there for a while, and the water was what made the land so nice.

If you want land, there's enough of it without having to ruin a waterway to create it. Just keep looking for a plot that isn't 2/3 under water.

The quote was "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it." -Voltaire

but Ryen, you are right on the mark

The land was up for general sale. To anybody.

Some "anybody" asked about buying it. This new potential owner was obviously unknown to the seller. Which is a possibility that the seller knew when they put the land up for sale.

So the new potential owner asked to exercise their rights, and now the seller, posts derogatorily about potential buyer's inquiry, pointing out a lack of respect and some foregone mental issue.

I recommend anybody subjected to such action regard it as harassment and report it, as this is an attempt, intentional or not, to use the community against them, and intimidate people into not doing what they are entitled to do.

This hits close to home for me because a little while back somebody suggested that the way my house is situated in Natoma doesn't fit in with the surrounding terrain (it's somewhat precariously perched on an old-style grade). "Respect", and "community" were the words used. My refusal to sell the land, which I"ve owned twice as long as most people have played SL, resulted in further frustration.

Tough. It's been there since early beta. You don't like it, you shouldn't have bought land in Natoma. Assuming I would be "reasonable" (defined as "doing what you want" was a gamble they took. And lost. I never mentioned the fact that everybody else was lowering the land around my house until it essentially sits on a small raised square...because it's their right to do it. They don't pay to have me harass them about it in the forums.

As a matter of fact Mr Bach, they didn't buy the land, so please feel free to take your suggestion and .. well you know what to do with it.

Oh look. darn. I've edited my post out of existence. Now the rest of this thread makes no sense.

Fortunately, I have copies of what was originally here and a copy of the post Tcoz denies making.

Silly, the ability to do this, isnt it?

Yet another with complete disregard for individual rights, and clear willingness to abuse the forums.

Your post is a direct attack. That is not permitted in ANY forum. It appears a review of land ownership rights, and the forums rules, would be useful for you.

I have reported your attack, and you.

Jellin, you're right, the land was not sold. I have edited my post accordingly. And I do know what to do with it. But you would suddenly be unable to walk, so I will forego that action and disregard your suggestion in the interests of your continued self locomotion, which I would not want to disable in the event I ever find you on my land.

land = power

the only truly effective influence anybody has in second life is the ownership of land. a land owner can do whatever they please with it. there is no recourse. if you want a piece of land to be formed to a specific pattern, or house specific types of builds, you have to pay the bill.

once in a very rare green moon, a group of people manage to buy enough land, or contribute enough allocation, to create an atmosphere (just ordered a copy of that) that resonates a theme. it's nice when that works. but it's expensive.

Goodo. Did you tell them that it was a response to a far more inflammatory post you completely deleted and rewrote? No? Ah. Thought not. Cuz then it would be in context, wouldn't it? And you wouldn't want that.

WHY ARE PEOPLE ALLOWED TO POST FLAMEBAIT AND THEN EDIT IT AFTER THE FACT?!

It would seem suggested that it is better to remove the individual right to reassess a thought and restate it in a more moderate tone.

In essence, you would prefer the hostility vs. a recouped post after a moment of meditation.

May I further suggest that one exercise their individual option to avoid taking the "flamebait", and perhaps wait a few minutes to see if the poster restates their thought. Or, simply not take the "flamebait" at all.

And of course, even if I had posted as you suggest, which I did not, that does not justify your response in any way. Personal attacks are not permitted. Period. Read the rules.

This thread having been thoroughly hijacked by a personal attack and such, I will leave you to it.

Edit: "Copies" of posts and chat logs are not accepted in reports. Had the post been of the nature you describe, I'm sure you would have reported it, but you did not, leaving every reason to believe your reactionary copies are fabricated. I however, reported your blatant attack with the provided tool, which is how it's done, and which renders your attempt to hide your violation pointless.

You apparently have a lot to learn about how SL works.

Good day.

Tis why it's always best to quote flamebait.

does any thread every survive this forum with serious discussion intact? or is my faith that posters can debate something as adults wholly misdirected?

i know the answer is "yes your faith is..." and furthermore i "should take a break..." and "who the hell do" i think i am?

i just wanted to rant against ranting for a moment.

and now for something completely different

Its bad ettiquette? HAHAH! Not only did I raise my land to save on prims I raised my neighbors land about a meter on each side so that it matched up. But my neighbors haven't actually built anything on their land yet. That might be why no one has come to me about it.

hmmm....you coulda had some fun with this.....lol.....make them FEEEELLLLLLLLL their sillyness.....your creative Jellin....you should agree....lmao....and let us know.....heeehehehehehehehehehehehehehe