While standing on someone elses land, should you be able to abuse report the owners?

Trying again here.

I don't see the difference, Blaze. What's the virtual geography have to do with filing an AR?

Well, for example, I can't enable push objects on my land because I'd get AR'd on my land.

Ah. Well, I don't think the weakness is in weather or not you own the land, but in discerning the intent of the push. In my oh-so-humble opinion, if you've got a game on your land that involves a push (even one that slaps your av into the next sim) you shouldn't be held in violation of the TOS so long as the game's opt-in.

Just shoving random passerby, though, that just won't do. ARs should be followed up with you being flayed and eaten by rats in that case.

Basically, the current system may not have enough police to cover this properly. Also, just having to leave the property to file an AR isn't going to change that. We do need to be able to AR those who really are just being abusive.

of course you should.

*adds Kris to ban list*

well seriously... what a dumb question. I mean, if someone is being an asshole to you on a plot of land they own, they ought to be immune from AR?

ITS MAH LAND SO ITS K FOR ME 2 TRAP U IN A CAEG THEN SHOT U WIT MAH PUSHGUN111!!1! WTF LOL

OMFG

you WERE that griefer in my house last night

I actually agree on this one

Kris, I'd appreciate it if you didn't label my questions as dumb because I don't think it's dumb at all.

I think if you don't want to be exposed to griefing then you shouldn't go onto someone's land. In the real world you can be shot for invading someone's house.

I think it's reasonable (and interesting) that you should be able to do anything you want to someone if they wander onto your property. Maybe a warning to a user could pop up, like - "you have wandered onto lawless land" or something.

And I do. Thats the beauty of forums and being able to express opinions in them.



1. This is not the real world. I wish people would stop using such a dumb argument.

2. In SL? Are you kidding? Where people are so fucking anal and dismissive about anyone wanting privacy of any kind? As you know, if you don't want people on your land, you put up ban lines. And if there aren't any, then the population consider it public and fair game. I'm not saying it's right, but there is a reasonable expectation that if it ain't barred, its ok to be there. So you'd have to be a bit of a moron to let them wander onto your 'public' land then grief them for being there. And if you're going to be a moron, expect to get AR'd.



Uhuh. And I think it's reasonable that if you leave your land public and I land on it and you shoot me, I'll have you suspended for it.

Opinions are great, aren't they? Now don't answer me, please. I don't want a debate, I don't want a discussion with you, I just wanted to answer you because you addressed me, and besides, it's a pain in the ass reading your posts since you're on ignore.

Not in most countries, thankfully.

Kris, I think your post is **** and ****. Further more I think what you said is **** and ****.

And it's ok that I can use such deragatory language because, after all, it's just an opinion!

Aww I think she's a star too

*licks Blaze*

OOPS!

*kicks Blaze*



SORRY TROLLING OVER.. back to your discussion!

TOS reported for cruel and inhumane use of asterisks. What'd those sweet and fuzzy star-shaped critters ever do to you?


(j/k) - Newfie

This shows up on the previous page, where it just shows the latest post in that category, only as, "While standing on someone . . ."

Therefore I thought it was about people landing on each other's heads!

lol

coco

The question is not dumb. The idea that someone can grief another resident anywhere on the grid and be untouchable sure is though.

Land owners are no less succeptable to the ToS than others, though under most circumstances, I would probably just leave the area.

To answer your question literally: Yes - Absolutely.

You can abuse report me for having a name that begins with the letter 'T' if you choose. However - filing an abuse report, and having Linden actually take action - are two completely different matters.

An abuse report alone does not trigger a sanction. Investigation of said abuse report with the results showing a TOS violation, is what triggers a sanction.

I think the spirit behind what you're asking is: - "Should landowners be sanctioned for TOS violations against other residents on their own land."

And to that, the answer is still yes... IMHO I don't believe I should have any immunity from the TOS just because I'm standing on my own land.

Seriously, the concept of land "ownership" in this vein is really out of hand. Land is a privilege, not a right - abuses of that privilege should have equal bearing in the ToS as anything else.

As for certain people that retaliate against griefers, the current policy for that is also perfectly appropriate. Many landowners have a "tit-for-tat" idea regarding griefing, when all you're doing is sinking down to their level. This is one of those situations where llEjectFromLand and llTeleportAvatarHome really shines, and even then in moderation.

So please. Good behavior should be a global measure. As for bad behavior, see my sig quote.