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New GITMO Book Due Out, by Former Guard (warning: semi-graphic news article)

Hiro Pendragon
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05-11-2005 00:42
Just remember... the man in charge of setting up GITMO post 9/11 is now the Attorney General of the US. :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4523825.stm

Soldier lifts lid on Guantanamo 'abuse'
By Matthew Davis
BBC News, Washington

Erik Saar says the US treatment of prisoners hurts its moral standing

A former US soldier who worked on interrogations at Guantanamo Bay has written a damning expose of the brutal, degrading treatment he says was meted out to prisoners there.

Sgt Erik Saar's book, Inside the Wire, comes with the US military's treatment of prisoners in the spotlight due to court hearings over the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

In an interview with the BBC, Sgt Saar says that bizarre, sexual abuses at the prison camp set dangerous precedents that paved the way for mistreatment of US detainees in Iraq.

And the former translator argues that despite attempts to right wrongs at Guantanamo, the camp still defiles the values the US is fighting for in the war on terror.

'Does that please Allah?'

One of the most disturbing interrogations Sgt Saar says he saw in his six months at the prison concerned a female interrogator trying to break a Saudi detainee, captured after enrolling in a US flight school.

'Brooke' came back round his other side, and he could see that she was beginning to withdraw her hand from her pants. As it became visible, the Saudi saw what looked like red blood on her hand

He tells how she began peeling off her clothes, taunting the man sexually in an attempt to shame him and stop him relying on his faith for support.

She left the interrogation room, Sgt Saar says, and found a red marker pen.

"'Brooke' came back round his [the prisoner's] other side, and he could see that she was beginning to withdraw her hand from her pants," said Sgt Saar.

"As it became visible, the Saudi saw what looked like red blood on her hand."

When the interrogator wiped what he thought was menstrual blood on his face, the prisoner raged, almost breaking free from his handcuffs.

But "Brooke" taunted him further, said Erik Saar, asking whether Allah would be pleased with him and telling him to have fun trying to pray.

Finally the detainee was returned to his cell without water, leaving him unable to cleanse himself.

'Start of a mistake'

Sgt Saar volunteered for Guantanamo in 2002. He was a US Army linguist, an expert in Arabic and had high security clearance.


The Pentagon says its policies on prisoner treatment have not led to abuse

But he says what he saw completely changed his attitude towards the camp, and his country.

There were many more suicide attempts in the camp than the US government has ever admitted, Sgt Saar says.

He claims storm trooper-like IRF (initial reaction force) teams were involved in numerous beatings of captives.

And of the 600 or so prisoners there, no more than a few dozen were "hardcore terrorists", says Erik Saar.

"The US Government portrays Guantanamo as a place where we are sending the worst of the worst, but this is not true.

"Guantanamo was the beginning of a mistake. It set a precedent in labelling people as enemy combatants, blurring the line between right and wrong.

"You can see it as the seed that may well have led to the naked human pyramids in Abu Ghraib."

FBI memos

In December 2004, the American Civil Liberties Union released a slew of material relating to prisoner abuse, obtained via the Freedom of Information Act.

FBI 'torture' email in full
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This included an FBI email - from December 2003, six months after Sgt Saar left - that said Defense Department interrogators at Guantanamo had impersonated FBI agents while using "torture techniques" on a detainee.

US Southern Command told the BBC it was investigating alleged detainee abuse following the publication of the FBI memos.

But USSC says it will not comment on any abuse allegations until the inquiry report is published.

Officials also deny allegations in Erik Saar's book that interrogations at Guantanamo were "staged" for visiting inspectors.

A spokesman told the BBC that Mr Saar was merely a junior linguist, "not in a position to understand the decisions behind interrogation planning".

'Whitewash'

The US Army is addressing the issue of how to treat a prisoner humanely, while still applying the pressure needed to get them to reveal critical information.

It is poised to issue a new field interrogation manual, which will expressly forbid certain harsh techniques and include detailed examples with references to the Geneva Conventions.

Throwing a chair against a wall in a fit of mock anger may be permissible, for instance, but using the chair to hit the detainee would not.

In March, a Pentagon investigation into the interrogation of prisoners detained in the war on terror found its policy did not lead to abuse.

The review - launched last year - examined 187 Pentagon investigations of alleged abuse in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay.

Human rights groups criticised the review as a whitewash.

Sgt Saar believes improvements have been made at the camp, but says more radical change is needed, to bring prisoners within the US judicial system.

"People say if what I have written is the worst that went on, it is not too bad," he says.

"But Guantanamo has become a symbol of everything wrong with America's image. If we are trying to build a bridge to the Muslim world, what sort of face are we portraying?"

Inside the Wire by Erik Saar and Viveca Novak is published in the United States by The Penguin Press
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Hiro Pendragon
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One book out, another flushed
05-11-2005 03:42
There's a BBC article about how Pakistani students are rioting, dozens injured, some deaths...


... the reason?

Oh, apparently there's a report that a Koran was flushed down a toilet at GITMO

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4535491.stm

I just saw a CNN 30-second blurb on it... guess what they forgot to mention? The reason why the riots were occuring! Whoops! not on the WWW version of CNN at all, btw.
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Seth Kanahoe
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05-11-2005 09:51
One thing that's interesting about these cases and charges is the political/moral problem of balance they pose for most of us. Example:

On the one hand, it's wrong to flush a Koran down the toilet for whatever reason, in that it shows blind, stupid intolerance and hatred.

On the other hand, any belief system that compels its adherents to overreact to the point of hatred and mass violence because such an act is, well, wrong.
Xtopherxaos Ixtab
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05-11-2005 10:31
Hmm..very, very shocking.

Notasmuch as:
- Videos of tied-up non-combatants being beheaded by brave groups of men wearing masks and carrying assault rifles.
- Videos of women being stoned to death.
- Blowing up innocent people in your country simply because they want to be policemen.
- Having your local bank deposit $6k/month in your account because your son blew up a busy coffee house in Israel.
- Destroying 700 year old Buddist statues to cleanse your country of any influence except Islam.
- Rape Rooms, complete with a "Professional Rapist".
- Honor Killings.
- Raping prepubescent (i.e. virgin) girls because your rag-tag army doesn't want to catch AIDS.
- Destroying villages, then taking all of the male children to bolster your army.
- Telling the world that you are building reactors simply for electrical production, even though your country sits on a gigantic oil reserve.
- Dancing in the streets hours after a group of fanatical followers of your faith drop two buildings on 3000 people.
Hiro Pendragon
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05-11-2005 17:52
From: Xtopherxaos Ixtab
Hmm..very, very shocking.

Notasmuch as:
- Videos of tied-up non-combatants being beheaded by brave groups of men wearing masks and carrying assault rifles.
- Videos of women being stoned to death.
- Blowing up innocent people in your country simply because they want to be policemen.
- Having your local bank deposit $6k/month in your account because your son blew up a busy coffee house in Israel.
- Destroying 700 year old Buddist statues to cleanse your country of any influence except Islam.
- Rape Rooms, complete with a "Professional Rapist".
- Honor Killings.
- Raping prepubescent (i.e. virgin) girls because your rag-tag army doesn't want to catch AIDS.
- Destroying villages, then taking all of the male children to bolster your army.
- Telling the world that you are building reactors simply for electrical production, even though your country sits on a gigantic oil reserve.
- Dancing in the streets hours after a group of fanatical followers of your faith drop two buildings on 3000 people.


Oh, absolutely. But consider:

1. Two wrongs don't make a right.
2. We're a "civilized" nation.
3. GITMO is state-sponsored.
4. A few rogue countries don't constitute the whole of a religion in the world.
5. If we expect other atrocities to stop, we have to stop commiting them ourselves.

I mean, if you wanna go all Ann Coultier, fine, but please do it privately and not with my tax's money.
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Hiro Pendragon
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05-12-2005 21:45
If you're following the situation...

Condi Rice seems to be proving to be a better voice than Bush.
Let's see if they follow through...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4542785.stm

US pledge on Koran 'desecration'

Afghan protesters shouted "Death to America"
The US secretary of state has promised prompt action if allegations of desecration of the Koran at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp prove true.
But Condoleezza Rice appealed to Muslims to resist calls for violence, after at least seven deaths in three days of protests in Afghanistan.

The US authorities say they are investigating the allegations.

Ms Rice said desecration was abhorrent and disrespect for the Koran would not be tolerated.

The Saudi government has said the inquiry should be rapid and, if the allegations are found to be true, measures should be taken to prevent it ever happening again.

'Reject violence'

Speaking before a Senate committee, Ms Rice urged Muslims in America and throughout the world to stop the violence.

"I am asking that all our friends around the world reject incitement to violence by those who would mischaracterise our intentions," she said.

Disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States

Condoleezza Rice
US Secretary of State
"Appropriate action" would be taken if the allegations proved true, she added.

"Disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States," she said.

At least seven people have died and many more have been hurt in the last few days as hundreds rioted in Afghanistan.

The protests followed reports in Newsweek magazine that interrogators at the US Guantanamo Bay prison had flushed at least one copy of the Koran down a toilet.

President Hamid Karzai said the violence showed the inability of Afghan authorities to handle such protests.

Two United Nations guest houses were attacked in Jalalabad, as were shops and government buildings, and the offices of two international aid groups were destroyed.

Many foreign aid agency personnel are being pulled out too.

There were also reports of anti-US protests in the south-eastern city of Khost, and in Laghman province, where a demonstration was dispersed peacefully by police.


Hundreds of inmates are still being held at Guantanamo Bay

The protests spread on Thursday to Kabul, where demonstrators poured onto the streets chanting "Death to America".

BBC correspondents say many Afghans are angry at what they regard as heavy-handed tactics used by American forces in their country.

Aid agencies have also become a focus of resentment.

Insulting the Koran or the Prophet Muhammad is regarded as blasphemy and punishable by death in both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

The US is holding about 520 inmates at Guantanamo Bay, many of them al-Qaeda and Taleban suspects captured in Pakistan and Afghanistan following the 11 September 2001 attacks in the US and subsequent US-led invasion of Afghanistan.
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