When is a yard sale not a yard sale...

I'd like to know when yard sales got redefined...I thought a yard sale was generally when people cleared out their inventory of goods not made by them, selling originals only, no copies, and for a knock-down price.

Recently there have been more and more which can't be described that way. Many of the ones I have attended in the last few days have either been a sale of lots of free to copies at vastly inflated prices, or they are unashamedly full of the yard salee's products, whether furniture or clothing etc. Oh dear I forgot the third type, which is where people sell off copies of other people's clothes etc that they have obtained through the permissions bug.

At the old-fashioned type of yard sale, you got a lot of variety, might even come across items you hadn't seen before, and would perhaps get a bargain. At the current type of Yard Sale, lots of the products are either rip offs, because they are charging for free to copies, or rip offs, because they are copies of other people's work.

I vote we bring back the old fashioned type! I plan on boycotting the other types.
Cali

Yes there are lots of people selling freebies and people selling their own stuff.

However about 1/2 to 1/3 of yard sales are real ones. These are the places where you find interesting goods from designers you haven't come across before. The places where you see a chair you like and have to go to the designer's shop as you want the whole set

They can be goldmines!

I know what you mean Cali. Some are even tricky. Along with their copies, they have several things out that are originals, but most of the originals are by the same one or two people. I suspect the originals are things from friends. Because when the original is sold, another one shows up to replace a little while later.

In this case, it is a store, that is using the event to advertise.

This is becoming such a pet peeve of mine. I don't even bother going to them anymore.
More annoying is when they advertise it as a "*Real* Garage Sale *Really*"...and it's the same old linden items, or the stuff Richard Stern gave away for $1, or free stuff you can get at Yadni's Junkyard. All of course really overpriced.
The final straw for me garage sale wise was seeing the "Bed, Double, Modern, Cherry" from the "Library" for $100.

-Sun

I tried my luck at a few of those.

most of the time they turned out to be a ton of vendors... VENDORS, full of crap they'd made or marked up freebies.. They got a little offended when I tried to unload a few choice items of my own, even when I lowered the prices.

Well.. it's a sale... in a 'yard'. I guess that's close enough.
It's like when I tell some offended viewer to 'change the channel, dumbass', and instead of tuning to something else they petition the FCC screaming bloody murder. People read it the wrong way.

Granted, I did see some nice furniture that I sure as hell wouldn't pay a grand for when Ican make it myself. but that's what screenshots are for, right?

Can we abuse report phony yard sales? Does anything happen to those who post misleading events IW?

Frankly, I'm sick of false yard sales.

Fake yard sales are a real issue? Worthy of wasting time for abuse reporting? So your dumpster diving isnt working out as planned, try something else. Geez, the whining on those boards is getting out of hand.

I'm with you Cali, lets bring back the old fashioned yard sales. Selling other people's items is not cool!!

My interest in it is mainly because I live in a zoned residential area where there aren't suppose to be any stores. The appeal being the lack of lag. When someone puts a fake Yard Sale that is really a store, it affects me because I am subjected to the lag.

I don't see this as whining. Please provide a list of the proper things to be concerned about and I will try to only post about those issues. Sorry for causing you to whine about something. I have noted that whining about people whining is acceptable, so you can leave that off of your list.

Yes, they are a real issue. They are a flagrant violation of the Events posting rules. As such, they should be stopped. I only hope that the Lindens will respond to the ARs with more than slaps on the virtual wrists.

The aspect of these fake yard sales that is problematic is they are often used to sell free items and items being sold without permission. I had someone TP me to a yard sale yesterday to show me a sofa someone was selling with my poses in it. They did take the time to rename them to obscure them, but the creator tag still showed and they were never sold with copy permissions. I constantly find situations where the permission bugs are exploited by users to sell items - and "yard sales" are a hotbed of this type of thing.

Cristiano, I didn't think it was possible you and I could ever agree. Though, on this issue, it seems we are in perfect agreement.

Phony Yard Sales Suck!!

What have we ever disagreed on, other than me asking why you always start financial threads in the general forum?

We've never officially publically disagreed on issues other than the financial posting (which I still feel is justified)... but privately, I've held many opinions contrary to those endorsed by you.

But thats what makes SL so great ... the ability to be ones' self

Couldn't agree more Cali. If I do go to a yard sale now and see vendors or copies of items, I tp out immediately. There seem to be very few genuine sales and I disagree with Ebony, this is a real issue, especially if they are selling freebie items.

In future, I am going to AR anyone holding a fake sale.

Alexa

When I started the group Yard Sale Junkies my intentions were good. Back then residents were having REAL yard sales and not only could you find good deals on inventory people no longer wanted or had any use for but they were fun to boot. Unfortunately it didn't take very long for scam artists to discover the group and use it to IM members to come to their 'yard sale' when in fact the victims were being asked to go to people's shops, clubs where one or two items were copyable or freebies but the club owners wanted DWELL, etc. etc.

As the Officer and founder of Yard Sale Junkies, I started getting IMs complaining about the misuse and abuse of the Group IM and all the bogus yard sales. Well, although I tried to attend as many Yard Sales as I could to see what was being sold, it got to be too much and the group is no more . I am truly sorry to the many of you in the Group who held and loved to go to honest to goodness yard sales but as is often the case .... a few people ruin a good thing for everybody.

I do hope that bogus yard sales can be reported as abuse of the TOS.

I got my first spam invite to a sidewalk sale at a mall this morning. Pathetic. Yucky.

I'm really getting tired of shutting down people selling other peoples' freebies too. I know this opera is getting boring, but isn't it a fairly simply solution? Two technical changes would be required:

(1) Separate the RESELL and GIVE AWAY permissions
(2) Do not allow people to to raise the price on a "resell" item higher than what the original creator had it set to.

Its a shame a few bad apples make these kinds of steps necessary.

Regards,

-Flip

I agree with the first not the second. I think the permissions system needs a real overhaul anyway.

The second seems to stop a legitimate trade in rare items. It also would be a restriction on a small but growing business to business market. Would it be the lowest price of all components?

Since there are a lot of yard sales in my area, I would like to know how one tells if they are "phony"?

I have seen suspicious goods out sometimes, but AFAIK there is no way to tell if they are breaking the rules unless obvious freebies are for sale.

It seems from the comments here that many have opinions about "other" types of scam sales but I dont see what the determinants are. You cant neg rate on a suspicion (or you shouldn't anyway).

Edit: There are *lots* yard sales in Achemon where I live and by the road in Oslar just south. (some of my lamest early builds are there!)
I have never seen anything there that is wrong or illegal. If anyone wants to check them out or let me know if these violate the rules I would appreciate it. Seems to me these are "real."
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The permissions system needs an overhaul and a higher priority for dev team resources on a continual basis. We'll always get parasites trying to steal residents' IP by means of exploits to get around the permissions system. It's like RL crime in a city -- there's no magic combination of education, changes to the criminal justice system and social policy that will somehow 'wipe out crime' permanently. LL will always be obliged to spend resources adapting to counter the latest adaptation by the parasites.

I'd be happier if LL made this area a much higher priority, and gave their efforts more visibility on these forums, so as to engage resident support. There will always be a gap while the technology plays catchup to counter the latest exploits. Ideally residents would have in-world tools to beat back the parasites, thus partially covering the gap. The AR system has its own latency. Neg-rating is too often misused, so the message is unclear. It might be useful to open a discussion on what residents can do.

Roberta, you'll never have a legitimate trade in rare items when the parasites copy and sell them in yard sales and so on. I spent enough time in Diablo II to see the game economy based on so-called unique items completely destroyed by parasites. Word is they're moving into Guild Wars now. : \

I think a yard sale is a yard sale when the seller calls it "a yard sale".

Maybe you should rename the thread "when is a yard sale really crappy..."

There's fertile ground here for a witty blogger to evaluate such things and clue in devoted followers. Any volunteers?

Buster