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Chance Abattoir
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09-12-2005 12:02
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9311876/You know... because those hundreds of doctors trained for these situations might implant some Karl Marx chips when people aren't looking. Besides, FEMA had it under control all along. http://www.walterlippmann.com/docs255.htmlFrom: someone " 'The Cuban physicians are accustomed to working in difficult third-world conditions without the resources and supplies most of us are accustomed to. Since they are just an hour away, it is a shame that they have not been allowed to join our committed medical corps already.' " From: someone "On Tuesday, August 30, Cuba first offered U.S. authorities hurricane relief in the form of 1100 disaster-trained bilingual physicians, each equipped with 52-pound pound backpacks of medical supplies, including rehydration therapy, insulin, anti-hypertensives, and medications for systemic and topical infections.
On Saturday, September 3, Cuba increased the offer to 1586 doctors, ready for immediate deployment and prepared to stay as long as necessary to help wherever needed. A Cuban spokesperson said that as of today there has been no official response from the U.S. government.
Cuban disaster relief experience spans 45 years, mainly in hurricanes faced by the Caribbean island and in coping with disasters confronted by other developing countries. Another nearly 25,000 Cuban health professionals provide longer-term health care services in 68 countries, under government-to-government agreements. "
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Euterpe Roo
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09-12-2005 14:07
From: Administration Known for Its Foresight State Department spokesman Sean McCormack asserted last week that the Cuban medical brigade would probably not be needed since there has been a “robust response from the American medical community.”
White House spokesman Scott McClellan scorned the Cuban proposal last Thursday when asked if the president would consider accepting the Cuban help.
“When it comes to Cuba,” said McClellan, “we have one message for Fidel Castro: He needs to offer the people of Cuba their freedom.”
Sauchay and the other Cuban physicians don’t seem to be taking the hint their services may not be wanted. This is just so, so sad. Pathetic, really.
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Chance Abattoir
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09-12-2005 15:09
From: Euterpe Roo This is just so, so sad. Pathetic, really. Are you kidding? C'mon, those communist nazis are way worse than dehydration, disease, and diabetic shock!
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Euterpe Roo
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09-12-2005 16:37
From: Chance Abattoir Are you kidding? C'mon, those communist nazis are way worse than dehydration, disease, and diabetic shock! It would be in the best interest of the United States to accept humanitarian aid from 1. Cuba 2. Venezuela (if it is offered). For the reasons listed in the article, many lives can be saved by doctors who, themselves, do not require rescue (with all due respect to medical professionals in the United States). Now, let's get all Machiavellian for just a moment. Why would accepting humanitarian aid from Cuba and Venezuela be diplomatically expedient for the United States? First, it would be read diplomatically as extending the olive branch. Second, at least in the case of Hugo Chavez, there is oil in them thar hills. So, the United States would get to exploit yet another mineral/oil rich country should there be detente. Did that just sound jaded? 
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Chance Abattoir
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09-12-2005 17:02
From: Euterpe Roo It would be in the best interest of the United States to accept humanitarian aid from 1. Cuba 2. Venezuela (if it is offered). All of your reasons are surpassed by the issue of National pride. How would we look if we took help from those lesser people? ...Poorer, third-world countries, with an inferior ideology, a different tongue and whose leaders are of an inferior race--it's just unacceptable because how we look is more important than human life. If that weren't true, then government wouldn't place such a priority on "symbolic acts" and "token gestures." Image is power in our contemporary age. The goal of branding strategies is to ultimately sell nothing but an idea, a way of life, encompassed in a logo. Content is passe and often must be fought for. If we bow low enough to accept help from the anti-brands, then the empty ideals we're selling will be worthless and people will start buying someone else's empty ideals.
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Judah Jimador
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09-13-2005 06:14
From: Euterpe Roo
Now, let's get all Machiavellian for just a moment.
Plus, if things are that bad in Havana, probably at least half of the Cuban relief team would jump ship and refuse to return. -- jj
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Arcadia Codesmith
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09-13-2005 07:22
Honestly, I expected it. This administration is like a rocket sled: all acceleration, no steering. If Cuba=evil then Cuba!=help endif, forever and ever amen.
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Euterpe Roo
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09-13-2005 07:37
From: Chance Abattoir All of your reasons are surpassed by the issue of National pride. How would we look if we took help from those lesser people? ...Poorer, third-world countries . . .
If that weren't true, then government wouldn't place such a priority on "symbolic acts" and "token gestures."
Image is power in our contemporary age. The goal of branding strategies is to ultimately sell nothing but an idea, a way of life, encompassed in a logo. Content is passe and often must be fought for. If we bow low enough to accept help from the anti-brands, then the empty ideals we're selling will be worthless and people will start buying someone else's empty ideals. Please understand that I am not attempting to make light of the tremendous suffering of the people of Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama. I am striving for context as this disaster and the handling thereof has recontextualized the United States from the inside out. You say all of this as if the United States is not already a second-tier economy. (An aside: it is no longer 'third-world'; the term is now 'developing nation' when friendly to exploitation or 'rogue nation' when unfriendly to exploitation). I do not think that the offer of humanitarian aid is 'symbolic' or 'token.' There are pressing political and/or economic reasons for the offers. What those reasons are--why aid is being offered--is, at this point, beyond my understanding. Shifts in hegemony aside, how remarkable would it be if the World Bank and IMF began to eye the United States? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_BankThough your cynic-foo is strong, Grasshopper, it seems that I am keeping up with you.
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Eboni Khan
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09-13-2005 07:44
Good grief, people are such short sighted selfserving asshats when it comes to politics, history and common sense be damned when trying to make some pathetic point.
Don't blame the block on Cuba on the current administration. The "go to Hell Cuba" policy is a long standing US policy that makes no sense unless you remember the corruption and racism that was rampant in old Cuba because of the corrupt US influence. The block came thanks to the Kennedy family and will probably exist at least until drunkass Teddy is dead.
Why would the US want Medical Assistance from a country trapped in 1952? Seriously, it doesnt even make common sense, a 4th grader could see the flaw in the logic. The US which is the richest country with the best medical care on the planet should be ashamed to accept assistance from other countries. We can more than handle this here internallly.
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Nolan Nash
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09-13-2005 07:54
I don't have time to go digging right at this moment - I will later when I get back home if someone hasn't responded with some info by such time - but hasn't Cuba done the same thing in reverse to the US before, i.e., snubbed offers of aid? Note that I am not suggesting that if this true, that it is or isn't a legitimate reason to refuse the aid offer.
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Chance Abattoir
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09-13-2005 11:08
From: Euterpe Roo I do not think that the offer of humanitarian aid is 'symbolic' or 'token.' There are pressing political and/or economic reasons for the offers. What those reasons are--why aid is being offered--is, at this point, beyond my understanding.
I was talking about out government; we are often making symbolic gestures to cover up our mistakes. When bad things happen, the media and politicians start talking about how the president (or others) need to make a symbolic gesture- as if gestures and statements can replace action. It's just the way politics is in our age because we allow it to be and it's not just an attitude limited to politics.
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Chance Abattoir
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09-13-2005 11:13
From: Eboni Khan Don't blame the block on Cuba on the current administration.
Did I say "Bush" once? Did I? From: Eboni Khan Why would the US want Medical Assistance from a country trapped in 1952? Seriously, it doesnt even make common sense, a 4th grader could see the flaw in the logic. Maybe I should wax my ego by saying even a 2nd grader knows that Cuba is extremely medically advanced and that they even had an AIDS program in place when we were still laughing at homosexuals? I mean, come on, DUH. It's just common sense for anyone who is anyone to realize that Cuba spent a lot of their resources on becoming a medical and biotech powerhouse.  OMG. Like, I can't believe you didn't realize that and stuff. You are either a fool or you are so obviously opportunistically using this opportunity to advance the myth that your party is a victim. You MUST be. It is so obvious. Like, oh my god as if. From: Frontline " Cuba has invested a lot in health care. There are 444 polyclinics spread all over the country, besides 27 hospitals. Every Cuban has access to free medical care virtually at his or her doorstep. Patients who are unable to go to a hospital or a clinic are attended to at home by qualified doctors. Cuba's medical expertise is being put to good use by many developing countries. There are 23,413 Cuban doctors and health technicians working in 66 countries. Castro calls it "humane missions of solidarity". Cuba has 450 doctors in Haiti, the poorest country in the western hemisphere. "The industrialised countries cannot send even 50 doctors to Haiti, for they have finance capital but lack human capital," Castro said. The biotechnology revolution is another success story. Cuba is the largest exporter of medicine to Latin America. The country is doing business in biotechnology with more than 50 countries, including India and helping to set up factories in many of these countries. The Cubans prefer to call it "South to South" technology transfer. Cuban researchers have been granted more than 100 patents, 26 of them in the U.S. It has developed the world's first meningitis-B vaccine. Cuban researchers have developed a vaccine that stimulates the immune system against lung cancer cells." http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2202/stories/20050128000306100.htm*Thought I should add this regarding my AIDS comment: http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/develop/aids/2003/12cuba.htmCuba is behind in many things, but anything related to medicine is not one of them. Again, my point is that valuing pride (and appearances) over human life is a common thing in this country -evidenced by some people's condescending attitudes- but it doesn't have to be that way. It's a crime to our national ego to accept help from "lesser" countries, but sometimes it's a crime against human life not to. Sometimes politics is just stupid.
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Arcadia Codesmith
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09-14-2005 06:23
From: Eboni Khan Why would the US want Medical Assistance from a country trapped in 1952? Seriously, it doesnt even make common sense, a 4th grader could see the flaw in the logic. And a 5th grader might correctly point out that in a situation where you're trying to get trauma care to a devastated region, 1400 doctors used to operating under less-than-optimal conditions might be of some use... possibly more use than U.S. doctors accustomed to luxuries like dependable electricity and clean water.
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