Who are those "terrorists"?
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Anshe Chung
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05-13-2004 07:51
I know that I don't know. But I doubt that some people who claim they know have more knowledge either. I have no explanation, only many contradictions, questions pop up in my mind. All I know is that if I would hate current American government, I would not release execution video right when American media start grilling their leadership about prison abuse. Of course it is possible some of the "terrorists" want to support Bush government because they keep a good enemy, nice partner to keep on fighting. This reminds me of old customs in old times when kings sent their armies fight each other. Still, in their "private" life they married women from each other's family and always agreed on superiority of noble class over worthless peasant class. Well, maybe today they don't marry, but they do business with each others family. One family buy shares of other family's oil business, in return they are allowed to build army base in Saudia Arabia... Anyway, I don't know. I could just be talking nonsense as I feel like I am kept blind, forced to guess about things I lack information. This is just all one big puzzle. And I am always amazed how politicians or people in media are always so certain they know, without any real facts to show either. Now I post one link to an article by an American muslim professor. He also ask some questions. Does he know anything? Probably not. I don't know anything. I don't think I can judge who is right. Maybe nobody really knows. But he gives different perspective on killing of this innocent American boy. Sadly it won't bring him to life again even if one day we would find out who killed him and would manage to punish those people 
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Grim Lupis
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05-13-2004 07:53
linkie no workie
*Edit I just noticed the URL.
Do you honestly think AlJazirah (or AlJazeerah, if you prefer to spell it that way) publishes unbiased articles?
*Edit 2* Can't speel
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Anshe Chung
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05-13-2004 08:11
From: someone Originally posted by Grim Lupis Do you honestly think AlJazirah (or AlJazeerah, if you prefer to spell it that way) publishes unbiased articles?
Not more not less than I could assume CNN or FoxNews would be unbiased. All I can do is read the information from different media and try to make sense of it. I also took look at Google and found the author published other articles in normal U.S. media. But I invite you to find weaknesses in what he says. Maybe he is wrong and you can proof  Currently I am not able to make sense of what happens in Iraq or with so-called "terrorists". This kinda is nagging on me as I am curious person who want to know...
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Champie Jack
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05-13-2004 11:55
that commentary is awfully anti-semitic.
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Champie Jack
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05-13-2004 12:12
omg...did you read any of the articles that this man publishes? Or, have you read any of the other articles that are published on the same websites? Here is a nice closing line to a review of one of Sam Hasod's books. After commenting that there is no such thing as a "good jew" he closes with this: From: someone Jewry’s success, it seems, always depends heavily on the blindness and stupidity of its victims. Do us all a favor Anshe, and stop acting so naive. Either you have no ability to understand the issues, or you are pretending to be naive. Either way, you should keep your mouth shut unless you are asking simple, objective questions.
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Champie Jack
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05-13-2004 12:15
aljezeerah.info?
All the websites on which Sam Hamod is published are anti-semitic, anti-american, conspiratorial.
They are all independent, aganda driven websites.
If you can't tell the difference between FOX, MSNBC, CNN and these "news" sources, then I reiterate my previous comment about keeping quiet.
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Anshe Chung
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05-13-2004 12:32
From: someone Originally posted by Champie Jack that commentary is awfully anti-semitic. How that?
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Jellin Pico
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05-13-2004 12:36
From: someone Originally posted by Anshe Chung
Currently I am not able to make sense of what happens in Iraq or with so-called "terrorists". This kinda is nagging on me as I am curious person who want to know... So called terrorists? Here, I'll make it real simple: They are bloodthristy savages whose only goal is dominence and total control through brutality and murder. Bloodthrist insane savages and inhuman monsters They're only saving grace is they can be killed. Go ahead, report me again if you want, but please please stop trying to cover up what those animals really are by your 'so called' objectivity. So called terrorists? My god that sentance makes me sick.
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Champie Jack
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05-13-2004 12:41
you must know how to read...
Read all the articles by Sam Hamod, read all the articles on the websites where Sam Hamod articles are posted....
READ READ READ!
the author never fails to mention how possible it is that Israelis could be part of the deception.
Call it anti-Zionism if it makes you feel better, but it is the same thing In the Arab world
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Anshe Chung
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05-13-2004 12:46
From: someone Originally posted by Champie Jack omg...did you read any of the articles that this man publishes? Or, have you read any of the other articles that are published on the same websites? Mmmm, not really. I found the article directly via Google news. From: someone Here is a nice closing line to a review of one of Sam Hasod's books. After commenting that there is no such thing as a "good jew" he closes with this:
"Jewry’s success, it seems, always depends heavily on the blindness and stupidity of its victims. "
This is indeed anti-semitic remark. However has nothing to do with the article, yet I agree it does not shine good on the author. From: someone Do us all a favor Anshe, and stop acting so naive. Either you have no ability to understand the issues, or you are pretending to be naive. Either way, you should keep your mouth shut unless you are asking simple, objective questions. I am not keeping my mouth shut. Maybe sometimes my questions can sound stupid, but you don't ask questions you are more stupid. The basic questions still exist: 1) Who was on video? 2) How do we know that? 3) Why should they do this? 4) Who had advantage of the video appearing?
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Anshe Chung
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05-13-2004 12:55
From: someone Originally posted by Jellin Pico So called terrorists? [/quoted]
Yes, that is how media call them. But how you know they are not cold blooded rational criminals acting for profit? How you know they are not fashists or brutal killers being paid by somebody? The word "terrorist" implies one very specific kind of criminal.
From: someone Here, I'll make it real simple: They are bloodthristy savages whose only goal is dominence and total control through brutality and murder.
Bloodthrist insane savages and inhuman monsters
They're only saving grace is they can be killed.
If you mean the people who commited the crime I agree with you. But if, like in the other thread, you mean all Muslims I don't agree.
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Jellin Pico
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05-13-2004 12:59
From: someone Originally posted by Anshe Chung If you mean the people who commited the crime I agree with you. But if, like in the other thread, you mean all Muslims I don't agree. Not all, no, just the ones who don't say "We surrender!!" immediately.
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Anshe Chung
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05-13-2004 13:01
From: someone Originally posted by Champie Jack you must know how to read...
Read all the articles by Sam Hamod, read all the articles on the websites where Sam Hamod articles are posted....
READ READ READ!
the author never fails to mention how possible it is that Israelis could be part of the deception.
Call it anti-Zionism if it makes you feel better, but it is the same thing In the Arab world Well, maybe I should have read more from this person if he always suggest this possibility. I guess he is biased then and has his own personal enemy of choice to blame for things. Still it does not answer the real question: What do we really know? Maybe we can try to collect what is really fact?
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Champie Jack
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05-13-2004 13:01
ah, those are the simple objective questions worth asking...
we can start looking for the answers, but not in Sam Hamod's articles, please.
thank you for bringing me back to civility.
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Jellin Pico
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05-13-2004 13:05
From: someone Originally posted by Anshe Chung
1) Who was on video?
2) How do we know that?
3) Why should they do this?
4) Who had advantage of the video appearing? Your implied suggestion that the US was somehow behind that video is pathetic, you know that?
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05-13-2004 13:27
I think their reasons for releasing the video are pretty obvious... the USA has a notoriously weak stomach for sticking with unpleasant things. Support for the war is dwindling rapidly and they know it. The more this kind of thing happens the less will the American public has to support continued occupation of Iraq.
As for Al Jazeera being more biased than fox news, cnn, or msnbc, I'd say they're all corrupt, sensationalistic, completely unobjective, and generally worthless. How many more hours of airtime will they waste talking about that NFL player who got killed in Afghanistan? If you look at the amount of speculative banter, patriotic flag waving BS, and actual hard investigative journalism you'll find a whole lot less of the latter than the former. TV journalism in the US has become a joke. They don't even deserve to call themselves news channels anymore. They're 24 hour talk shows.
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Champie Jack
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05-13-2004 13:41
uh, ok.
I'm unsubscribing now.
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Re: Who are those "terrorists"?
05-14-2004 07:13
I don't know about terrorists, but I definitely know a troll when I see one... From: someone Originally posted by Anshe Chung I know that I don't know. But I doubt that some people who claim they know have more knowledge either. I have no explanation, only many contradictions, questions pop up in my mind.
All I know is that if I would hate current American government, I would not release execution video right when American media start grilling their leadership about prison abuse. Of course it is possible some of the "terrorists" want to support Bush government because they keep a good enemy, nice partner to keep on fighting.
This reminds me of old customs in old times when kings sent their armies fight each other. Still, in their "private" life they married women from each other's family and always agreed on superiority of noble class over worthless peasant class.
Well, maybe today they don't marry, but they do business with each others family. One family buy shares of other family's oil business, in return they are allowed to build army base in Saudia Arabia...
Anyway, I don't know. I could just be talking nonsense as I feel like I am kept blind, forced to guess about things I lack information. This is just all one big puzzle. And I am always amazed how politicians or people in media are always so certain they know, without any real facts to show either.
Now I post one link to an article by an American muslim professor. He also ask some questions. Does he know anything? Probably not. I don't know anything. I don't think I can judge who is right. Maybe nobody really knows. But he gives different perspective on killing of this innocent American boy. Sadly it won't bring him to life again even if one day we would find out who killed him and would manage to punish those people
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Garoad Kuroda
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05-15-2004 08:29
CNN and Fox (funny to hear those two channels grouped together) are just propaganda news channels, used by the US government to keep the American public disinformed so they can continue their goals of global imperialism.
This is the kind of stuff the FAR left says. And by far, I mean, falling off the left edge of the political spectrum and into the abyss far.
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Champie Jack
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05-15-2004 13:25
when compared to aljezeerah.info, or any of the other websites that have published Sam Hamods work, CNN and FOX and all the other major American news sources are reasonably fair aand unbiased. When there is bias, I guarantee that it is not a result of government control or conspiracy.
Accept the fact that far left viewpoints stem from mental illness, then seek the appropriate help. You don't have to live, and subject the rest of us to your own mental anguish.
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Pepper Monde
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05-15-2004 13:47
From: someone I think their reasons for releasing the video are pretty obvious... the USA has a notoriously weak stomach for sticking with unpleasant things. Support for the war is dwindling rapidly and they know it. The more this kind of thing happens the less will the American public has to support continued occupation of Iraq. You're right Chip--the terrorists and Baathists are hoping that by showing this video, Americans will stop supporting the war. I believe Americans are going to continue supporting the war in spite of this video or others that may show up in the future--we don't live in the 90's anymore. We cannot leave Iraq until that country is fairly stable. If we leave Iraq in chaos, we might as well become isolationists and kiss our way of life good-bye. From: someone As for Al Jazeera being more biased than fox news, cnn, or msnbc, I'd say they're all corrupt, sensationalistic, completely unobjective, and generally worthless. And BBC is the complete opposite. 
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Julia Curie
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05-15-2004 15:04
I guess they didn't learn from 9/11. It shocked the nation but then it came back to whoop ass.
History is about to repeat itself.
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