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Matina Appleby

Snow Princess

Join date: 24 Mar 2003

Posts: 281

11-18-2003 15:08

Thanks for keeping us updated

Since you do tell I dont care if we have to wait longer. To wait and not knowing what is going on is what annoys me. Thanks!

:Matina

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Sapphire Bombay

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Join date: 8 Oct 2003

Posts: 341

11-18-2003 15:19

2nd that. Information = happy paying customers

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Phoenix Linden

SL's Angel of Death

Join date: 3 Dec 2002

Posts: 168

11-18-2003 15:22

Explanation of today's extended outage:

/3/3b/6906/1.html

Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

11-18-2003 15:25

I would like to publicly state my severe disappointment with the current state of hardware manufacturing.
Quality standards have dropped so low lately that most hardware seems purposefully designed to break right after warranty expires, and they keep reducing the warranty on computer parts. I have a 486 that is still meriily chugging along after more than 10 years with ZERO replaced components. All the computers I had after that one have died a sudden and tragic death.
Actually when my hard drive failed a while ago I took the HD in my 486 and put it in this computer. Its unbearably small and slow but at least I can play SL and read some websites.
I have no doubt that my 486 will still be meriily chugging along by the time I decide to get yet another computer.

Huns Valen

Don't PM me here.

Join date: 3 May 2003

Posts: 2,749

11-18-2003 16:08

Build your next computer with an ASUS motherboard and some RAM from their QA list. You won't be disappointed. I've been building all my systems with ASUS motherboards for the last five years and I've never had one die on me. The one non-ASUS system I bought (a barebones pizzabox) was dead within a year.

Good reliable stuff:

ASUS motherboards
Intel CPUs
Maxtor hard drives
NVIDIA video cards (started with Riva TNT2, then GeForce 2 GTS, finally GeForce FX5900)
Linux and Windows NT-based OSes, such as 2000 and XP

Stuff that has failed me:

Pentium motherboards with non-Intel northbridge
Fujitsu 18GB SCSI drives, these are absolute crap, I've had to replace these in a low-usage RAID *twice* in the *same year*
ATI Mobility video chipset
Windows ME, this is crap, if you have to use 9x-based windows, use 98 or 98SE
Western Digital hard drives

Also the Intel OEM heatsink fan is not sufficient for keeping their 3.0GHz and up CPUs cool under load, not even when the system is clocked to factory specs, never mind overclocked.

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Ama Omega

Lost Wanderer

Join date: 11 Dec 2002

Posts: 1,770

11-18-2003 16:17

I agree huns.

The sad truth is that retailers and even often manufacturers would have you believe there is little to no difference in stability or functionality from one 'hidden' component to another, and that could not be further from the truth. Quality parts can make all the difference in the world. When I build computers they cost a slight premium from what you could buy at Best Buy. They last about 5 times as long or longer though. Even things like the powersupply can effect stability, if the power is fluctuating the chip will not respond well.

The worst is that many of these problems lay dormant until the system is put under stress, which means heavy software which means all your computer component manufacturers are going to blame the software you are running.

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Kex Godel

Master Slacker

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 869

11-18-2003 16:21

There's a bunch of us here... 8 at the time of this posting... come on over and join us =)

If you need a server, try one of them listed here:

http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/networks/efnet.txt

I'm using www.easynews.com and seems to be working alright once I got idnetd going =)

Kex Godel

Master Slacker

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 869

11-18-2003 16:22

er, make that irc.easynews.com, not www...

Pendari Lorentz

Senior Member

Join date: 5 Sep 2003

Posts: 4,372

11-18-2003 16:28

Yes, Thank you Mark!

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Marilyn Murphy

Obeys Her Toaster

Join date: 23 Jul 2003

Posts: 361

11-18-2003 16:32

er...this thread got awful technical.

hey!! did i get to show u this nifty uniform i got for playing some game?? it had a ball, i think, and u hadda run from one end to the other, and i had something, dont know what, and i never saw the ball thing. but i got this nifty uniform. i got tired tho. but i got this nifty uniform.

marilyn murphy

Briana Dawson

Attach to Mouth

Join date: 23 Sep 2003

Posts: 5,855

LOL!

11-18-2003 16:35

From: someone

Originally posted by Marilyn Murphy
er...this thread got awful technical.

hey!! did i get to show u this nifty uniform i got for playing some game?? it had a ball, i think, and u hadda run from one end to the other, and i had something, dont know what, and i never saw the ball thing. but i got this nifty uniform. i got tired tho. but i got this nifty uniform.

marilyn murphy

Real Life Laughing Mari!

I want a uniform too!

Briana Dawson

Tiger Crossing

The Prim Maker

Join date: 18 Aug 2003

Posts: 1,560

11-18-2003 16:35

Then again, Eggy's 486 probably has a hard drive somewhere along the order of 20 megs or so (if it's as old as the 486), and now we have drives of over 200 GB! (And I'm sure Linden Labs are using RAIDs of BIG disks to store all our crap.

) So considering just how much more bittage is on HDs these days, the quallity has REALLY improved or we'd be seeing a lot more bad block errors.

Personally, I've had fewer and fewer drive problems over the years anyway.

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Devlin Gallant

Thought Police

Join date: 18 Jun 2003

Posts: 5,948

11-18-2003 18:09

Eggys hard drive has 1gig. Don't ask me how I know that, I'm not sure.

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Matina Appleby Snow Princess Join date: 24 Mar 2003 Posts: 281	11-18-2003 15:08 Thanks for keeping us updated Since you do tell I dont care if we have to wait longer. To wait and not knowing what is going on is what annoys me. Thanks! :Matina _____________________
Sapphire Bombay Avatar Join date: 8 Oct 2003 Posts: 341	11-18-2003 15:19 2nd that. Information = happy paying customers _____________________ Avatar: A temporary manifestation or aspect of a continuing entity.
Phoenix Linden SL's Angel of Death Join date: 3 Dec 2002 Posts: 168	11-18-2003 15:22 Explanation of today's extended outage: /3/3b/6906/1.html
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	11-18-2003 15:25 I would like to publicly state my severe disappointment with the current state of hardware manufacturing. Quality standards have dropped so low lately that most hardware seems purposefully designed to break right after warranty expires, and they keep reducing the warranty on computer parts. I have a 486 that is still meriily chugging along after more than 10 years with ZERO replaced components. All the computers I had after that one have died a sudden and tragic death. Actually when my hard drive failed a while ago I took the HD in my 486 and put it in this computer. Its unbearably small and slow but at least I can play SL and read some websites. I have no doubt that my 486 will still be meriily chugging along by the time I decide to get yet another computer.
Huns Valen Don't PM me here. Join date: 3 May 2003 Posts: 2,749	11-18-2003 16:08 Build your next computer with an ASUS motherboard and some RAM from their QA list. You won't be disappointed. I've been building all my systems with ASUS motherboards for the last five years and I've never had one die on me. The one non-ASUS system I bought (a barebones pizzabox) was dead within a year. Good reliable stuff: ASUS motherboards Intel CPUs Maxtor hard drives NVIDIA video cards (started with Riva TNT2, then GeForce 2 GTS, finally GeForce FX5900) Linux and Windows NT-based OSes, such as 2000 and XP Stuff that has failed me: Pentium motherboards with non-Intel northbridge Fujitsu 18GB SCSI drives, these are absolute crap, I've had to replace these in a low-usage RAID twice in the same year ATI Mobility video chipset Windows ME, this is crap, if you have to use 9x-based windows, use 98 or 98SE Western Digital hard drives Also the Intel OEM heatsink fan is not sufficient for keeping their 3.0GHz and up CPUs cool under load, not even when the system is clocked to factory specs, never mind overclocked. _____________________ [ huns? \|\| words \|\| 1TBS KREW \|\| VHI Aircraft \|\| Whitepaper on Aircraft Physics ] Make yourself and your objects immune to llPushObject().
Ama Omega Lost Wanderer Join date: 11 Dec 2002 Posts: 1,770	11-18-2003 16:17 I agree huns. The sad truth is that retailers and even often manufacturers would have you believe there is little to no difference in stability or functionality from one 'hidden' component to another, and that could not be further from the truth. Quality parts can make all the difference in the world. When I build computers they cost a slight premium from what you could buy at Best Buy. They last about 5 times as long or longer though. Even things like the powersupply can effect stability, if the power is fluctuating the chip will not respond well. The worst is that many of these problems lay dormant until the system is put under stress, which means heavy software which means all your computer component manufacturers are going to blame the software you are running. _____________________ -- 010000010110110101100001001000000100111101101101011001010110011101100001 --
Kex Godel Master Slacker Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 869	11-18-2003 16:21 There's a bunch of us here... 8 at the time of this posting... come on over and join us =) If you need a server, try one of them listed here: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/networks/efnet.txt I'm using www.easynews.com and seems to be working alright once I got idnetd going =)
Kex Godel Master Slacker Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 869	11-18-2003 16:22 er, make that irc.easynews.com, not www...
Pendari Lorentz Senior Member Join date: 5 Sep 2003 Posts: 4,372	11-18-2003 16:28 Yes, Thank you Mark! _____________________ hugs everyone
Marilyn Murphy Obeys Her Toaster Join date: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 361	11-18-2003 16:32 er...this thread got awful technical. hey!! did i get to show u this nifty uniform i got for playing some game?? it had a ball, i think, and u hadda run from one end to the other, and i had something, dont know what, and i never saw the ball thing. but i got this nifty uniform. i got tired tho. but i got this nifty uniform. marilyn murphy
Briana Dawson Attach to Mouth Join date: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 5,855	LOL! 11-18-2003 16:35 From: someone Originally posted by Marilyn Murphy er...this thread got awful technical. hey!! did i get to show u this nifty uniform i got for playing some game?? it had a ball, i think, and u hadda run from one end to the other, and i had something, dont know what, and i never saw the ball thing. but i got this nifty uniform. i got tired tho. but i got this nifty uniform. marilyn murphy Real Life Laughing Mari! I want a uniform too! Briana Dawson
Tiger Crossing The Prim Maker Join date: 18 Aug 2003 Posts: 1,560	11-18-2003 16:35 Then again, Eggy's 486 probably has a hard drive somewhere along the order of 20 megs or so (if it's as old as the 486), and now we have drives of over 200 GB! (And I'm sure Linden Labs are using RAIDs of BIG disks to store all our crap.) So considering just how much more bittage is on HDs these days, the quallity has REALLY improved or we'd be seeing a lot more bad block errors. Personally, I've had fewer and fewer drive problems over the years anyway. _____________________ ~ Tiger Crossing ~ (Nonsanity)
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	11-18-2003 18:09 Eggys hard drive has 1gig. Don't ask me how I know that, I'm not sure. _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.

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