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MJW proposals discussion

Jesrad Seraph
Nonsense
Join date: 11 Dec 2004
Posts: 1,463
09-01-2005 09:30
There are a number of proposals alluded to recently that I think are worthy of discussion here:

From: someone
o Management of land as non-consumable investment in Second Life. This means that old regions receive regular upgrades and that land is not subject to technical aging. Land should have somewhat stable value not just in short term but in terms of 5 years or 10 years. The considerable monthly maintenance fees should make that possible.

Proposal 1 aims at bringing some fairness between recent and older private sims. Mainland sims get updated periodically, but it seems private sims don't. Wo here thinks it fair that LL keeps hardware up to date on these sims too ?

From: someone
o No financial, technical or marketing support from Linden Lab for any resident media or political group that is not made available on equal basis to other media or political groups
o Linden Lab is of course allowed to run their own media when it is easily recognizable as non-resident media
o No using of Linden accounts to help businesses in ways not available to their competitors

I think these are aimed at the recent 'Linden modelling' and 'Linden DJing' for residents. I'd have to agree that Linden employees shouldn't use their position to help out a resident's market position, it stifles the open competition that LL apparently tries to maintain in SL economy.

HOWEVER I don't agree with the following:
From: someone

o No Linden alts in groups related to resident business, media or political organizations
o No involvement of relatives or close friends of Linden Lab employees either

This is simply way too broad and restrictive. I think a Linden has the right to participate in SL and not just be an anonymous, asocial Mr Policeman. Besides I doubt anyone could stop them, it would be just too tempting :D And I don't see what further benefit could be had from enforcing this.


Now let's get onto the directly controversial:
From: someone

o Right to a jury of one's peers, notification of the charges against one, and who has brought suit, right to counsel, right to find facts and present one's defense, public notification of punishments in a long-term archive for precedent-setting value

From: someone

o Process for fair compensation of residents damaged by actions/changes originating from Linden Lab. Adjudication process for claims.


These two are giving me the creeps. "Jury" proposal: I don't think anyone but friends of victims/griefers care anough to get involved in judging a peer, so it implies either forcing residents on jury duty (and we know how popular this is in RL, plus I don't see how it can be enforced), either it's bound to become a mudfest. I'd rather this stays in the hands of the people who don't have such personal interests tied to this, Lindens.

However I welcome a bit more transparency, regarding what kind of offense brings what kind of punishments, for example.

As for the last, well, I'm not prepared to pay for other people's losing at business betting. You know the money used in this would have to come from somewhere. The people who are dependent upon SL to live have put themselves in this situation voluntarily and must assume the risks associated with it.
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Jsecure Hanks
Capitalist
Join date: 9 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,451
09-01-2005 09:35
I agree with the no Linden alts being involved in SL thing.

HOWEVER

If a resident among us were to be a Linden, but nobody knew about it, there wouldn't be a problem. So that must therefore be OK. I don't want to see X Linden in their alt account supporting one person's business, but just another face going about their business is fine.
Satchmo Prototype
eSheep
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 1,323
09-01-2005 09:53
Ummm... why shouldn't LL employees be allowed to play in the world they created during thier off time as an anonymous alt? It seems SL would benefit from having employees that were so passionate about this world to login during off-time. Not to mention it helps them experience what tools we really need.
Jsecure Hanks
Capitalist
Join date: 9 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,451
09-01-2005 10:02
Read the post again. That's EXACTLY what I say. I make the point I have no problem with the Lindens playing as anonymous alts, but I wouldn't like it if they played as an alt that everyone knew was "so and so Linden".
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Satchmo Prototype
eSheep
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 1,323
09-01-2005 10:05
Yea, I'm agreeing with you :) We've all known there are Linden alt's amongst us since the day we logged in. I for one can say I don't know who they are.
Jsecure Hanks
Capitalist
Join date: 9 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,451
09-01-2005 10:49
Oh right, well, um, carry on :D
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Aliasi Stonebender
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Join date: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,858
09-01-2005 12:53
I do know of a couple of Linden alts, and from them learned there is an offical policy that a Linden "alt" cannot be involved economically in the world - that is, they aren't allowed to create and sell new things, although anything created from beforehand is okay.

Some things, like Shaun Linden DJing, are kind of borderline, but there it was more Shaun's newbie mistake at broadcasting than the DJing itself that was a problem, at least to most I think.
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