Voting: what the heck?

Prop: 451 - Kiss Attachment

what the heck? this isn't something to be voted on, it should be in products wanted. Don't clutter up the voting site, it's already messy enough .

What's funny is that he's not even asking for the affection to be built into the engine, say via the pie menu or something. (A development which I think might not be so terrible for the social sort).

He actually wants Linden Lab to develop a kiss attachment for him:

EVERYONE, STOP EVERYTHING! ANDREW, PUT AWAY THAT HAVOK 2 SOURCE CODE!

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE NEED TO GET A KISS ATTACHMENT OUT THE DOOR ON THE DOUBLE!

Prop: 442 - Make SL completely free

obviously posted by a brainiac. We don't want to pay you... but if you wouldn't mind, please continue to update SL, kthx.

Hahaha, this one is like something out of a nightmare where people torture me with various, insidious forms of anti-capitalism and outright moochery. Nevertheless, I'm sure it'll win plenty of votes.

Besides the fact that it is already available and has been since I started...

Heh. Nice.

Baaaahahaha.
Aah.

Haha.

aaahahahahaha.

Phew, okay, I'm done.

LF

I would like to point out that this is another example of two or three (otherwise) really cool and intelligent people saying a lot of mean stuff about another player for really no good reason.

The person is ignorant of the setup, and unaware that the attachment already exists.

So?

Why doesn't someone just offer this poor person a big sloppy kiss?


(I would but I dont have one either )

That's a matter of opinion.



That wasn't actually the issue.

I would only vote for this if it was an ass-kissing attachment. Now that would be worth the price of admission!

Until LL smacks it with a "Can't do".
(Won't I be stuffing my foot in my mouth if they don't, eh? )

actually Buster I know a few people that have asses big enough that the simple kiss attachment works nicely to do that...LMAO

If someone can't be bothered to understand the purpose and use of a tool, I cannot be bothered to spare their feelings when pointing out their waste of resources. Ignorance is such a preventable sin, as long as we're talking about, say, the voting for a Kiss attachment that already exists. (Besides the fact that the Lindens aren't the people to lobby for this anyway)

As far as demanding that Second Life be completely free, uh, well, I'll put it like this:

When I make an ass of myself in public, I accept the consequences of my jackassery with my eyes open. I demand others do precisely the same.


Yeah, I know, I'm a dick.

edit: And please be certain, I have no problem helping folks out. I regularly advise residents who want to do non-humanoid avatars on the best practices for that particular craft. Hell, I even hand them the scripts and animations with a few custom tweaks from time to time, free of charge. People who ask for help are great and they get it without fail around here. People who charge around telling themselves they don't need help and do stupid things as a result, well, will occasionally do something *really* unimpressive that earns their action a bit of scrutiny. Anyway, the subjects being discussed aren't people at all, but their silly propositions.

I hate to say it, but considering that the only prop that the Lindens have completed so far is a Pony, not only does this seem *cough* appropriate, it also seems more likely to done than anything else on the prop list.

If I were to promise not to ever ever look at the pony, can I get some of the hundreds a month of tier payment back? What a wonderful use of player fees, which are already high enough, and about to get higher.

- Newfie

Dude. I'm going to pretend you didn't say ANYTHING about the Pony. The Pony is one of my crew, now, and he don't play this amateur, unprofessional BS.



Yeah, the sad thing is, the whole time I thought "Well, in a world of Pony Linden, anything can happen." Let's not be uncharitable to the dev team, though. Software development is very much a longterm sort of affair, particularly in something as bleeding edge as SL. Incorporating user requests into the project probably takes a lot reworking, scheduling, and reprints of those enormously-long project management charts with all the lines and brackets and dates.

As for the Pony, I personally think it's a waste of resources. But putting that aside, if they can fulfill a request for a pony....only makes sense to me that they'd consider making a kiss attachment. In for a penny, in for a pound.



Personally I am a project manager for a software development firm. The current application I'm on brings in about a quarter billion in revenue a year (yep, 250million), and none of our projects take less than 3-9 months. Based on my own experience, I'm well aware that anything the Lindens do in support of fixes or enhancements are likely to take a long time, loads of planning and many resources.

Given that fact though....considering the immense size of the list of pending requests, the relative importance of so many of them, and the amount of effort needed to bring them to fruition, I fail to see how it could be justified to waste what limited resources they have even on something so small as a pony - or a kiss attachment. There are requests in that voting list that range from simple all the way to all-but-impossible. There's plenty of room for the Lindens to provide both the quick-turnaround fixes and the gosh-this-will-take-us-a-year enhancements. It's called arranging one's priorities. A pony - or even a kiss attachment - is a complete mockery of those priorities.



- Newfie

You make a very persuasive argument and I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with you. I understand that Linden Lab was just joining in the jolly spirit of someone's jest (god, a lot of J words), but their doing so without also having knocked out a few other serious but simple feature requests makes them look much less impressive. Horsing around (forgive me) is always more welcome when other work is already done.

This is not to say Linden Lab isn't working their tales off, I know they are. But the feature voting page isn't necessarily seeing all of that effort. Perhaps it should before any other self-indulgence takes place.

Anyway, you can't even ride Pony Linden. I remember the spec saying that people should be able to ride him.

What about the fact that it probably didn't take much to make the pony in the first place? The saddle and av, for example, were already built by that time, from what I remember: it would just be the case of buying them and, should the script not already exist as well, make that.

I thoroughly disagree with the priorities issue here: if this is the only proposition that's been completed so far, this is too little a sample for statistical reasoning (yet).

Actually I listed items from the last three upgrades in my Blog, and I'm more than happy to include last night's patch on that list (though bugfixes are still better than a pony). If this was a single occurence I wouldn't bother to comment, but by the pony time it had been the third all-but-useless addition to the system.

Please feel free to read my blog and comment!


- Newfie

Done.