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Merwan Marker

Booring...

Join date: 28 Jan 2004

Posts: 4,706

01-23-2005 08:24

The Terms of Service for SLExchange.com has been altered a second time.

I have had no involvement in either of these alterations to this web site's Terms of Service agreement. I was not given any notice of these alterations once there were made.

The date noted for this 2nd revision is not accurate - the "Revised 1/18/2005" is the date noted for the first revision.

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Don't Worry, Be Happy - Meher Baba

Kris Ritter

paradoxical embolism

Join date: 31 Oct 2003

Posts: 6,627

01-23-2005 08:34

Yah. I noticed Microsoft updated their website. Oh, and BBC News did too. Actually, lots of websites I have nothing to do with keep changing stuff. Ooh! And my AVG people updated their license agreement.

I must remember to come post a new thread here about it each time

Tell me, if you keep beating the same dead horse in new threads every five minutes does it give it an extra few minutes of life or something? Or is it just to bore the shit out of us all with more of the same old drahma?

We demand NEW drahma! Come on! Be inventive! Be Creative! Your world, Your imagination, Your personal drahma!

Merwan Marker

Booring...

Join date: 28 Jan 2004

Posts: 4,706

01-23-2005 08:36

Basically to bore the shit out of you!

Figure it out - this is neither drama or a game.

_/_/_/

_____________________

Don't Worry, Be Happy - Meher Baba

billy Madison

www.SLAuctions.com

Join date: 6 Jun 2004

Posts: 2,175

01-23-2005 08:38

From: Merwan Marker

Basically to bore the shit out of you!

Figure it out - this is neither drama or a game.

_/_/_/

Lol looks like the real merwan is coming out =) Yay!

Who cares what they do? If you really washed your hands with sl exchange you wouldnt be checking on it hourly to see what has changed.

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Prestige Fine men and womens clothing and jewelry, on SLExchange

billy Madison

www.SLAuctions.com

Join date: 6 Jun 2004

Posts: 2,175

01-23-2005 08:40

I got an idea.. maybe you can ask apoth if he needs a publicist or a commentator (Sp?) your doing na excellent job of blow by blow details.

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Prestige Fine men and womens clothing and jewelry, on SLExchange

Kris Ritter

paradoxical embolism

Join date: 31 Oct 2003

Posts: 6,627

01-23-2005 08:41

From: Merwan Marker

Basically to bore the shit out of you!

Figure it out - this is neither drama or a game.

Sure its both drama and a game. And you seem to be doing a lot to stir the drama pot and increase the game stakes just now. I preferred it when you were pretending to keep a dignified silence in public frankly.

Sorry, btw, I prolly just rendered this thread useless now since your fanclub will surely arrive with flamethrowers

blaze Spinnaker

1/2 Serious

Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

01-23-2005 09:08

Give it a rest, Merwan.

You had your chance.

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Devlin Gallant

Thought Police

Join date: 18 Jun 2003

Posts: 5,948

01-23-2005 16:26

I think Merwan has every right to be frustrated by the tactics Apoth has been using. Here is an idea. Why don't all you critics go into business with Apo, and see how long it takes for him to screw you.

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I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.

Kris Ritter

paradoxical embolism

Join date: 31 Oct 2003

Posts: 6,627

01-23-2005 16:33

From: Devlin Gallant

I think Merwan has every right to be frustrated by the tactics Apoth has been using. Here is an idea. Why don't all you critics go into business with Apo, and see how long it takes for him to screw you.

The world is so black and white isnt it? If you criticise the one guy, you must be in bed with the other.

I don't know either of them. I have no real interest in SLExchange and whether it lives or dies. Sure, Merwan can be as frustrated as he likes. I am getting frustrated by all the mileage that everyone is trying to get out of it, though. So I said so. As is my right. All right?

Tikki Kerensky

Insane critter

Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 687

01-23-2005 16:34

I don't care who is screwing who and quite frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about it repeatedly. Take your little ball of drama ELSEWHERE please.

_____________________

Pudding takes away the pain, the pain of not having pudding.

Devlin Gallant

Thought Police

Join date: 18 Jun 2003

Posts: 5,948

01-23-2005 16:42

From: Kris Ritter

The world is so black and white isnt it? If you criticise the one guy, you must be in bed with the other.

I don't know either of them. I have no real interest in SLExchange and whether it lives or dies. Sure, Merwan can be as frustrated as he likes. I am getting frustrated by all the mileage that everyone is trying to get out of it, though. So I said so. As is my right. All right?

Wasn't criticizing you Kris. We trolls have to stick together. Besides, you are the best diaper changer there is.

_____________________

I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.

Talen Morgan

Amused

Join date: 2 Apr 2004

Posts: 3,097

01-23-2005 16:47

Yes, I'll take two.

Toneless Tomba

(Insert Witty Title Here)

Join date: 13 Oct 2004

Posts: 241

01-23-2005 18:38

Has this always been always in effect, I wasn't on SLExchange long enough to find out I think?

In the Marketplace Fee Schedule:

Magic box hosting: L$15 per box per month

Jonquille Noir

Lemon Fresh

Join date: 17 Jan 2004

Posts: 4,025

01-23-2005 18:57

From: Toneless Tomba

Has this always been always in effect, I wasn't on SLExchange long enough to find out I think?

In the Marketplace Fee Schedule:

Magic box hosting: L$15 per box per month

Yes. That was if you had no land to keep your Magic Box on, and they kept it on a hosted plot of land for you.

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Little Rebel Designs
Gallinas

Moleculor Satyr

Fireflies!

Join date: 5 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,650

01-23-2005 18:59

Ok, Merwan? I understand your frustration, and from what little I've seen of the dispute, I agree you probably have a valid complaint.

However, the forums are not the place to solve that dispute. Either get a lawyer, or let it go. If it's not worth the lawyer to you, then it's not worth it at all.

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</sarcasm>

Ulrika Zugzwang

Magnanimous in Victory

Join date: 10 Jun 2004

Posts: 6,382

01-24-2005 21:30

He has a right to come to the consumers to plead his case. We should be informed so we can make our own decision on if this is how we want SL business to be run and if we want to do business with someone who breaks contracts and rewrites ToS on a whim.

It is up to us to enforce good business practices by not frequenting business that don't operate with the highest standards.

~Ulrika~

_____________________

Chik-chik-chika-ahh

SL Exchange WebSite TOS Changed Yet Again
Merwan Marker Booring... Join date: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 4,706	01-23-2005 08:24 The Terms of Service for SLExchange.com has been altered a second time. I have had no involvement in either of these alterations to this web site's Terms of Service agreement. I was not given any notice of these alterations once there were made. The date noted for this 2nd revision is not accurate - the "Revised 1/18/2005" is the date noted for the first revision. _/_/_/ _____________________ Don't Worry, Be Happy - Meher Baba
Kris Ritter paradoxical embolism Join date: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 6,627	01-23-2005 08:34 Yah. I noticed Microsoft updated their website. Oh, and BBC News did too. Actually, lots of websites I have nothing to do with keep changing stuff. Ooh! And my AVG people updated their license agreement. I must remember to come post a new thread here about it each time Tell me, if you keep beating the same dead horse in new threads every five minutes does it give it an extra few minutes of life or something? Or is it just to bore the shit out of us all with more of the same old drahma? We demand NEW drahma! Come on! Be inventive! Be Creative! Your world, Your imagination, Your personal drahma!
Merwan Marker Booring... Join date: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 4,706	01-23-2005 08:36 Basically to bore the shit out of you! Figure it out - this is neither drama or a game. _/_/_/ _____________________ Don't Worry, Be Happy - Meher Baba
billy Madison www.SLAuctions.com Join date: 6 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,175	01-23-2005 08:38 From: Merwan Marker Basically to bore the shit out of you! Figure it out - this is neither drama or a game. _/_/_/ Lol looks like the real merwan is coming out =) Yay! Who cares what they do? If you really washed your hands with sl exchange you wouldnt be checking on it hourly to see what has changed. _____________________ Prestige Fine men and womens clothing and jewelry, on SLExchange
billy Madison www.SLAuctions.com Join date: 6 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,175	01-23-2005 08:40 I got an idea.. maybe you can ask apoth if he needs a publicist or a commentator (Sp?) your doing na excellent job of blow by blow details. _____________________ Prestige Fine men and womens clothing and jewelry, on SLExchange
Kris Ritter paradoxical embolism Join date: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 6,627	01-23-2005 08:41 From: Merwan Marker Basically to bore the shit out of you! Figure it out - this is neither drama or a game. Sure its both drama and a game. And you seem to be doing a lot to stir the drama pot and increase the game stakes just now. I preferred it when you were pretending to keep a dignified silence in public frankly. Sorry, btw, I prolly just rendered this thread useless now since your fanclub will surely arrive with flamethrowers
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	01-23-2005 09:08 Give it a rest, Merwan. You had your chance. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	01-23-2005 16:26 I think Merwan has every right to be frustrated by the tactics Apoth has been using. Here is an idea. Why don't all you critics go into business with Apo, and see how long it takes for him to screw you. _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
Kris Ritter paradoxical embolism Join date: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 6,627	01-23-2005 16:33 From: Devlin Gallant I think Merwan has every right to be frustrated by the tactics Apoth has been using. Here is an idea. Why don't all you critics go into business with Apo, and see how long it takes for him to screw you. The world is so black and white isnt it? If you criticise the one guy, you must be in bed with the other. I don't know either of them. I have no real interest in SLExchange and whether it lives or dies. Sure, Merwan can be as frustrated as he likes. I am getting frustrated by all the mileage that everyone is trying to get out of it, though. So I said so. As is my right. All right?
Tikki Kerensky Insane critter Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 687	01-23-2005 16:34 I don't care who is screwing who and quite frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about it repeatedly. Take your little ball of drama ELSEWHERE please. _____________________ Pudding takes away the pain, the pain of not having pudding.
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	01-23-2005 16:42 From: Kris Ritter The world is so black and white isnt it? If you criticise the one guy, you must be in bed with the other. I don't know either of them. I have no real interest in SLExchange and whether it lives or dies. Sure, Merwan can be as frustrated as he likes. I am getting frustrated by all the mileage that everyone is trying to get out of it, though. So I said so. As is my right. All right? Wasn't criticizing you Kris. We trolls have to stick together. Besides, you are the best diaper changer there is. _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
Talen Morgan Amused Join date: 2 Apr 2004 Posts: 3,097	01-23-2005 16:47 Yes, I'll take two.
Toneless Tomba (Insert Witty Title Here) Join date: 13 Oct 2004 Posts: 241	01-23-2005 18:38 Has this always been always in effect, I wasn't on SLExchange long enough to find out I think? In the Marketplace Fee Schedule: Magic box hosting: L$15 per box per month
Jonquille Noir Lemon Fresh Join date: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 4,025	01-23-2005 18:57 From: Toneless Tomba Has this always been always in effect, I wasn't on SLExchange long enough to find out I think? In the Marketplace Fee Schedule: Magic box hosting: L$15 per box per month Yes. That was if you had no land to keep your Magic Box on, and they kept it on a hosted plot of land for you. _____________________ Little Rebel Designs Gallinas
Moleculor Satyr Fireflies! Join date: 5 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,650	01-23-2005 18:59 Ok, Merwan? I understand your frustration, and from what little I've seen of the dispute, I agree you probably have a valid complaint. However, the forums are not the place to solve that dispute. Either get a lawyer, or let it go. If it's not worth the lawyer to you, then it's not worth it at all. _____________________ </sarcasm>
Ulrika Zugzwang Magnanimous in Victory Join date: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 6,382	01-24-2005 21:30 He has a right to come to the consumers to plead his case. We should be informed so we can make our own decision on if this is how we want SL business to be run and if we want to do business with someone who breaks contracts and rewrites ToS on a whim. It is up to us to enforce good business practices by not frequenting business that don't operate with the highest standards. ~Ulrika~ _____________________ Chik-chik-chika-ahh

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