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James Miller

Village Idiot

Join date: 9 Jan 2003

Posts: 1,500

08-07-2003 19:41

I went on www.google.com today, my favorite search engine. I decided to search for my favorite software, Second Life. I found numerous links to Linden Lab, Second Life, as well as many articles about the software.

I also saw an ad that someone paid for on the right hand side. I assumed it would bring me to SecondLife.com when clicked, but, it brought me somewhere else!

I was taken to a page that informed me I had been referred by Cal Rogers!

The only conclusion I can make is that Cal paid for this ad himself. Great idea, I just wanted to hear everyone's opinions on the matter!

(P.S. Lindens, if you paid for the ad and not Cal, you may want to change the link)

Misnomer Jones

3 is the magic number

Join date: 27 Jan 2003

Posts: 1,800

08-07-2003 19:59

I clicked to see how much this costs. Its a $5 activation fee and pay per click after that. Min .05 cents per click up to a pre set max of your choice.

Sounds to me like the "pay RL $ for L$" debate awhile ago as this is what this person is basicly doing.

Its a gamble. A click costs but does not guarentee they will sign up. If they do however thats L$ 3k each.

As I recall, he's tops on referrals. Now we know why

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To complete the circle I expected to see L$ for sale on ebay... but, not yet.

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Darwin Appleby

I Was Beaten With Satan

Join date: 14 Mar 2003

Posts: 2,779

08-07-2003 20:49

AH HA!!! SO THAT'S HOW CAL HAS 50 FARKING REFERRALS! Lindens, is this not misconduct?! That's kinda cheating the system, isn't it?!

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Darwin Appleby

I Was Beaten With Satan

Join date: 14 Mar 2003

Posts: 2,779

08-07-2003 20:50

Oh wait nvm, my guess is it's just the affiliate program lol

btw James, with all the bugs you find it really makes me wonder how much free time you really have lol

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Schwartz Guillaume

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Join date: 19 May 2003

Posts: 217

08-07-2003 20:54

From: someone

Originally posted by Darwin Appleby
FARKING

so killing you with my mind right now

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Cal Rogers

Visit us in Garman

Join date: 19 May 2003

Posts: 25

So?

08-07-2003 21:10

What could be wrong with advertising SecondLife James? I think it is a great product. I actually discussed this idea with Linden Labs and received their approval prior to the advertisements. If it is a newsgroup post, a paid or free ad, or a positive review posted to a forum with a link to my affiliate page, We are looking at options that grow SecondLife.

It is a gamble like running a fan site or anything else, I may try fee based links to see if I feel that I get an appropriate return for my investment.

Darwin Appleby

I Was Beaten With Satan

Join date: 14 Mar 2003

Posts: 2,779

08-07-2003 21:12

Yeah, we appreciate it, even though we don't work for LL! It's good publicity, no matter what kind it is, and we thank you! Just so long as you aren't get filthy stinking rich by cheating, which I see your not, so I can stop farking now

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Misnomer Jones

3 is the magic number

Join date: 27 Jan 2003

Posts: 1,800

08-07-2003 21:27

ps..

Cal?

Clever! I was wondering how you did it.

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James Miller

Village Idiot

Join date: 9 Jan 2003

Posts: 1,500

08-07-2003 21:40

I agere thats its a great idea, and I agree that its great publicity, I just think its a bit unfair that you reap SO many referalls. I feel that its a bit wrong. I guess thats just me.

Oh, and I have a LOT of time on my hands. Too much. AHH!

Ama Omega

Lost Wanderer

Join date: 11 Dec 2002

Posts: 1,770

08-07-2003 21:51

I too was wondering how he got so many heh, it was a good idea though. Good thinking with good rewards. Thats why the reward programs are there.

Dave Zeeman

Master Procrastinator

Join date: 28 Jan 2003

Posts: 1,025

08-07-2003 21:55

What the fark is farking wrong with "Farking"?

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Misnomer Jones

3 is the magic number

Join date: 27 Jan 2003

Posts: 1,800

08-07-2003 21:56

How is it unfair? Go pay RL money to do it if you want. Its available to anyone. He was just clever enough to think of it first.

ps its 59 not 50.

Do you get L$ for trials or just for people who sign up?

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Candie Apple

Senior Mumbler

Join date: 1 Apr 2003

Posts: 477

08-07-2003 22:19

Brilliant, Cal. Wish I'd thought of it.

Candie

Misnomer Jones

3 is the magic number

Join date: 27 Jan 2003

Posts: 1,800

08-07-2003 22:25

ok so dont shoot the messenger but I just read this in the affiliate info:

From: someone

You must not engage in any of the following activities, which would give Linden Lab the ability to withhold your Affiliate Credits and/or terminate your Affiliate status and this Agreement:

* Use your unique link other than by posting it on the Affiliate Partner Site. For example, posting your unique link on a third party website, or embedding it within an email signature would be considered misuse of your Affiliate status.

* Embed your unique link within web content other than those objects provided to you by Second Life. If you'd like to present your unique link in a manner that is not addressed above, please email us at [email]Affiliates@SecondLife.com[/email] to request permission to do so.

* Read, copy, store, intercept, record, redirect, interpret or fill in the contents of any electronic form or other materials submitted to Second Life.

* Modify, redirect, suppress or substitute the operation of any button, link, or other interactive feature of our site or a Unique Link.

* Post or serve any advertisements or promotional content around or in conjunction with the display of our website or any page to which the Unique Link directs users.

* Seek to register or purchase any keywords or search terms associated with Linden Lab or Second Life for use in any search engine, portal, sponsored advertising service or other referral service.

* Attempt to intercept or re-direct traffic from or otherwise interfere with any site that participates in the Affiliate Program.

* Provide alternative incentives to your users on behalf of Linden Lab or take other steps to circumvent the Reward Schedule or artificially increase your Affiliate Credit.

* Resell Second Life trials or subscriptions or otherwise enter orders with Linden Lab on behalf of any third party.

So I'm confused if this is okay or not okay. Clearly Cal stated he asked for and received permission. Is it okay because he asked? Is it okay because its the L$ program as opposed to the US$ program??

Lindens, please clarify for other budding entrepreneurs.

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Cal Rogers

Visit us in Garman

Join date: 19 May 2003

Posts: 25

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08-07-2003 23:26

If you enjoy SL and want to watch it grow, Spend some time telling others about your experience. I mention it to business associates as my stress reliever for the end of the day. If someone asks for an IM method of contact, I mention my SL name in addition to ICQ or MSN. It is insurance for your lifetime membership, and adds customers to your SL business. I've also listed links to Secondlife.com in company intranet boards related to recreation activities, and had business meetings in SL with RL associates.

Have fun debating this issue, if you want other ideas feel free to IM ingame.

Mac Beach

Linux/OS X User

Join date: 22 Mar 2002

Posts: 458

08-07-2003 23:50

From: someone

Originally posted by Misnomer Jones
ok so dont shoot the messenger but I just read this in the affiliate info:

So I'm confused if this is okay or not okay. Clearly Cal stated he asked for and received permission. Is it okay because he asked? Is it okay because its the L$ program as opposed to the US$ program??

Lindens, please clarify for other budding entrepreneurs.

What Cal did was for the referral program not the affiliate program right? I don't remember seeing rules like that for referrals. And I'm using my referral ID as a Sig (elswhere). All 5 of my successful referrals came that way too. So maybe I broke de rules widout knowin it man.

Maybe an explanation of the rational behind the rules would be good too. They are not at all intuitive for me.

Bob Bunderfeld

Builder Extraordinaire

Join date: 10 Apr 2003

Posts: 423

08-08-2003 05:38

OK, let me jump in here really quick please.

First of all, I think we can all say "I wish I'd thought of that!".

Second, as Cal has stated TWICE now, he approached the Lindens about this and they gave him permission. So no matter what documentation you drag out and wave around, Cal has permission that obviously supersedes any other agreement.

Lastly, I did something similar to this for Asheron's Call 2. I ran a month's worth of AD's on 10 different websites. From those AD's, I generated 27 people who bought the product. I too had the blessing of Turbinegames when I did this, and I too received something in return for my investment. I didn't cheat, lie or steal anything from anyone. I merely believed in a product, and chose to help a company that couldn't afford to do this itself. What I do with my money is my business, what I get in return from my investment is my business. What Cal did was brilliant and well thought out, I would rather think that Linden Labs would consider hiring Cal as a Contractor for Advertisment

Bob "The Builder" Bunderfeld

that Small

clown member

Join date: 21 May 2003

Posts: 14

08-08-2003 06:23

hey there #2 in referials comin' at ya.... ya know i didn't try to hard to get mine.. i'm shocked someone else isn't in second place... cal did a good job
even though i hate him cause he beat me! j/k (maybe

anyway.. lay off ya'll... he tried.. and ya'll didn't

Pituca FairChang

Married to Garth

Join date: 17 May 2003

Posts: 2,679

08-08-2003 08:52

Just a few simple questions I would like to ask. Where does the money ($3,000LB if my memory serves me) to pay for each referral come from? Are the Lindens in the mint cranking out new money? Is it being paid for from our taxes?

Having lived in a Latin American country for a number of years and viewed the problems making new money makes. I wonder. I am not an economist just a simple citizen of RL and SL.

I would love to hear the opinions on this.

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Misnomer Jones

3 is the magic number

Join date: 27 Jan 2003

Posts: 1,800

08-08-2003 09:25

Bob,

I'm in no way bashing Cal. I just want clarification as to whats ok and whats not ok.

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Hunter Linden

In for Life

Join date: 18 Nov 2002

Posts: 257

Affiliates vs Referrals

08-08-2003 09:35

Hi guys -

Just wanted to provide some clarification here. We've got two programs going - an Affiliate program and a Referral Program.

The Affiliate Program (https://secondlife.com/affiliate) is aimed at folks who operate websites (SL residents or not) and want to help us get the news out about Second Life. In return for generating valid trials these website operators are paid in real life dollars. All said, it's quite similar to traditional affiliate programs run by retailers like Amazon, etc. The Affiliate Program agreement does bar Affiliates from using their link outside of the website(s) they registered with Linden Lab.

The Referral Program is aimed at current SL residents who want to receive in-world Linden Dollars for bringing new people into Second Life. In return for generating valid trials and new members, you can receive point and Linden Dollar bonuses. The Referral Program does not address using a referral link for advertising on sites such as Google. In the future we might ask to review ads or may ask folks who use the referral link to modify text on an existing ad.

Cal's participating in the referral program, and as several posts have alluded to, doing quite a good job. His conversions are not just related to merely google but also spending time in-world to help mentor the folks who found SL via his ads.

If anyone has questions just let me know.

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Tracey Kato

Royal PITA

Join date: 26 Dec 2002

Posts: 400

08-08-2003 10:30

I'm with Pit, what pool of money is this bonus coming from ??

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Ironchef Cook

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Join date: 23 Jun 2003

Posts: 574

08-08-2003 10:37

I may be wrong, but doesnt our stipend come from nothing?

Pituca FairChang

Married to Garth

Join date: 17 May 2003

Posts: 2,679

08-09-2003 07:53

Well my humble take on it is that the "stipend" is the return on our investment (RL) in SL, and the "bonus" received is a result of our labors in said SL.

And I am surprized that non of our resident geniuses waxed eloquent answering my question as to where the L$ come from to pay referral fees.

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David Cartier

Registered User

Join date: 8 Jun 2003

Posts: 1,018

08-09-2003 08:21

And here I was, thinking Cal worked for Microsoft or something, LOL. If Cal has brought in another sixty or so subscribers, which has to be about what - maybe seven or eight percent of all current subscribers? - we all ought to thank him (especially since all of his referrals I've met are pretty decent types) and not trash him. If he wants to spend his own resources to bring new members in, well, we are all free to do the same.

From: someone

Originally posted by Darwin Appleby
AH HA!!! SO THAT'S HOW CAL HAS 50 FARKING REFERRALS! Lindens, is this not misconduct?! That's kinda cheating the system, isn't it?!

Wow, look what I found!
James Miller Village Idiot Join date: 9 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,500	08-07-2003 19:41 I went on www.google.com today, my favorite search engine. I decided to search for my favorite software, Second Life. I found numerous links to Linden Lab, Second Life, as well as many articles about the software. I also saw an ad that someone paid for on the right hand side. I assumed it would bring me to SecondLife.com when clicked, but, it brought me somewhere else! I was taken to a page that informed me I had been referred by Cal Rogers! The only conclusion I can make is that Cal paid for this ad himself. Great idea, I just wanted to hear everyone's opinions on the matter! (P.S. Lindens, if you paid for the ad and not Cal, you may want to change the link)
Misnomer Jones 3 is the magic number Join date: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,800	08-07-2003 19:59 I clicked to see how much this costs. Its a $5 activation fee and pay per click after that. Min .05 cents per click up to a pre set max of your choice. Sounds to me like the "pay RL $ for L$" debate awhile ago as this is what this person is basicly doing. Its a gamble. A click costs but does not guarentee they will sign up. If they do however thats L$ 3k each. As I recall, he's tops on referrals. Now we know why . To complete the circle I expected to see L$ for sale on ebay... but, not yet. _____________________
Darwin Appleby I Was Beaten With Satan Join date: 14 Mar 2003 Posts: 2,779	08-07-2003 20:49 AH HA!!! SO THAT'S HOW CAL HAS 50 FARKING REFERRALS! Lindens, is this not misconduct?! That's kinda cheating the system, isn't it?! _____________________ Touche.
Darwin Appleby I Was Beaten With Satan Join date: 14 Mar 2003 Posts: 2,779	08-07-2003 20:50 Oh wait nvm, my guess is it's just the affiliate program lol btw James, with all the bugs you find it really makes me wonder how much free time you really have lol _____________________ Touche.
Schwartz Guillaume GOOD WITH COMPUTERS Join date: 19 May 2003 Posts: 217	08-07-2003 20:54 From: someone Originally posted by Darwin Appleby FARKING so killing you with my mind right now _____________________ http://forums.somethingawful.com -- the best dang forums on the Internet http://www.achewood.com -- the best dang webcomic on the Internet
Cal Rogers Visit us in Garman Join date: 19 May 2003 Posts: 25	So? 08-07-2003 21:10 What could be wrong with advertising SecondLife James? I think it is a great product. I actually discussed this idea with Linden Labs and received their approval prior to the advertisements. If it is a newsgroup post, a paid or free ad, or a positive review posted to a forum with a link to my affiliate page, We are looking at options that grow SecondLife. It is a gamble like running a fan site or anything else, I may try fee based links to see if I feel that I get an appropriate return for my investment.
Darwin Appleby I Was Beaten With Satan Join date: 14 Mar 2003 Posts: 2,779	08-07-2003 21:12 Yeah, we appreciate it, even though we don't work for LL! It's good publicity, no matter what kind it is, and we thank you! Just so long as you aren't get filthy stinking rich by cheating, which I see your not, so I can stop farking now _____________________ Touche.
Misnomer Jones 3 is the magic number Join date: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,800	08-07-2003 21:27 ps.. Cal? Clever! I was wondering how you did it. _____________________
James Miller Village Idiot Join date: 9 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,500	08-07-2003 21:40 I agere thats its a great idea, and I agree that its great publicity, I just think its a bit unfair that you reap SO many referalls. I feel that its a bit wrong. I guess thats just me. Oh, and I have a LOT of time on my hands. Too much. AHH!
Ama Omega Lost Wanderer Join date: 11 Dec 2002 Posts: 1,770	08-07-2003 21:51 I too was wondering how he got so many heh, it was a good idea though. Good thinking with good rewards. Thats why the reward programs are there.
Dave Zeeman Master Procrastinator Join date: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,025	08-07-2003 21:55 What the fark is farking wrong with "Farking"? _____________________ llToggleDaveZeemanIntelligence(FALSE); Philip Linden: Zeeman, strip off the suit! Dave Zeeman - Keeping Lindens on their toes since v0.3.2!
Misnomer Jones 3 is the magic number Join date: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,800	08-07-2003 21:56 How is it unfair? Go pay RL money to do it if you want. Its available to anyone. He was just clever enough to think of it first. ps its 59 not 50. Do you get L$ for trials or just for people who sign up? _____________________
Candie Apple Senior Mumbler Join date: 1 Apr 2003 Posts: 477	08-07-2003 22:19 Brilliant, Cal. Wish I'd thought of it. Candie
Misnomer Jones 3 is the magic number Join date: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,800	08-07-2003 22:25 ok so dont shoot the messenger but I just read this in the affiliate info: From: someone You must not engage in any of the following activities, which would give Linden Lab the ability to withhold your Affiliate Credits and/or terminate your Affiliate status and this Agreement: * Use your unique link other than by posting it on the Affiliate Partner Site. For example, posting your unique link on a third party website, or embedding it within an email signature would be considered misuse of your Affiliate status. * Embed your unique link within web content other than those objects provided to you by Second Life. If you'd like to present your unique link in a manner that is not addressed above, please email us at [email]Affiliates@SecondLife.com[/email] to request permission to do so. * Read, copy, store, intercept, record, redirect, interpret or fill in the contents of any electronic form or other materials submitted to Second Life. * Modify, redirect, suppress or substitute the operation of any button, link, or other interactive feature of our site or a Unique Link. * Post or serve any advertisements or promotional content around or in conjunction with the display of our website or any page to which the Unique Link directs users. * Seek to register or purchase any keywords or search terms associated with Linden Lab or Second Life for use in any search engine, portal, sponsored advertising service or other referral service. * Attempt to intercept or re-direct traffic from or otherwise interfere with any site that participates in the Affiliate Program. * Provide alternative incentives to your users on behalf of Linden Lab or take other steps to circumvent the Reward Schedule or artificially increase your Affiliate Credit. * Resell Second Life trials or subscriptions or otherwise enter orders with Linden Lab on behalf of any third party. So I'm confused if this is okay or not okay. Clearly Cal stated he asked for and received permission. Is it okay because he asked? Is it okay because its the L$ program as opposed to the US$ program?? Lindens, please clarify for other budding entrepreneurs. _____________________
Cal Rogers Visit us in Garman Join date: 19 May 2003 Posts: 25	So Join In! 08-07-2003 23:26 If you enjoy SL and want to watch it grow, Spend some time telling others about your experience. I mention it to business associates as my stress reliever for the end of the day. If someone asks for an IM method of contact, I mention my SL name in addition to ICQ or MSN. It is insurance for your lifetime membership, and adds customers to your SL business. I've also listed links to Secondlife.com in company intranet boards related to recreation activities, and had business meetings in SL with RL associates. Have fun debating this issue, if you want other ideas feel free to IM ingame.
Mac Beach Linux/OS X User Join date: 22 Mar 2002 Posts: 458	08-07-2003 23:50 From: someone Originally posted by Misnomer Jones ok so dont shoot the messenger but I just read this in the affiliate info: So I'm confused if this is okay or not okay. Clearly Cal stated he asked for and received permission. Is it okay because he asked? Is it okay because its the L$ program as opposed to the US$ program?? Lindens, please clarify for other budding entrepreneurs. What Cal did was for the referral program not the affiliate program right? I don't remember seeing rules like that for referrals. And I'm using my referral ID as a Sig (elswhere). All 5 of my successful referrals came that way too. So maybe I broke de rules widout knowin it man. Maybe an explanation of the rational behind the rules would be good too. They are not at all intuitive for me.
Bob Bunderfeld Builder Extraordinaire Join date: 10 Apr 2003 Posts: 423	08-08-2003 05:38 OK, let me jump in here really quick please. First of all, I think we can all say "I wish I'd thought of that!". Second, as Cal has stated TWICE now, he approached the Lindens about this and they gave him permission. So no matter what documentation you drag out and wave around, Cal has permission that obviously supersedes any other agreement. Lastly, I did something similar to this for Asheron's Call 2. I ran a month's worth of AD's on 10 different websites. From those AD's, I generated 27 people who bought the product. I too had the blessing of Turbinegames when I did this, and I too received something in return for my investment. I didn't cheat, lie or steal anything from anyone. I merely believed in a product, and chose to help a company that couldn't afford to do this itself. What I do with my money is my business, what I get in return from my investment is my business. What Cal did was brilliant and well thought out, I would rather think that Linden Labs would consider hiring Cal as a Contractor for Advertisment Bob "The Builder" Bunderfeld
that Small clown member Join date: 21 May 2003 Posts: 14	08-08-2003 06:23 hey there #2 in referials comin' at ya.... ya know i didn't try to hard to get mine.. i'm shocked someone else isn't in second place... cal did a good job even though i hate him cause he beat me! j/k (maybe anyway.. lay off ya'll... he tried.. and ya'll didn't
Pituca FairChang Married to Garth Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 2,679	08-08-2003 08:52 Just a few simple questions I would like to ask. Where does the money ($3,000LB if my memory serves me) to pay for each referral come from? Are the Lindens in the mint cranking out new money? Is it being paid for from our taxes? Having lived in a Latin American country for a number of years and viewed the problems making new money makes. I wonder. I am not an economist just a simple citizen of RL and SL. I would love to hear the opinions on this. _____________________
Misnomer Jones 3 is the magic number Join date: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,800	08-08-2003 09:25 Bob, I'm in no way bashing Cal. I just want clarification as to whats ok and whats not ok. _____________________
Hunter Linden In for Life Join date: 18 Nov 2002 Posts: 257	Affiliates vs Referrals 08-08-2003 09:35 Hi guys - Just wanted to provide some clarification here. We've got two programs going - an Affiliate program and a Referral Program. The Affiliate Program (https://secondlife.com/affiliate) is aimed at folks who operate websites (SL residents or not) and want to help us get the news out about Second Life. In return for generating valid trials these website operators are paid in real life dollars. All said, it's quite similar to traditional affiliate programs run by retailers like Amazon, etc. The Affiliate Program agreement does bar Affiliates from using their link outside of the website(s) they registered with Linden Lab. The Referral Program is aimed at current SL residents who want to receive in-world Linden Dollars for bringing new people into Second Life. In return for generating valid trials and new members, you can receive point and Linden Dollar bonuses. The Referral Program does not address using a referral link for advertising on sites such as Google. In the future we might ask to review ads or may ask folks who use the referral link to modify text on an existing ad. Cal's participating in the referral program, and as several posts have alluded to, doing quite a good job. His conversions are not just related to merely google but also spending time in-world to help mentor the folks who found SL via his ads. If anyone has questions just let me know. _____________________ Helping unlock your Purple Crayon
Tracey Kato Royal PITA Join date: 26 Dec 2002 Posts: 400	08-08-2003 10:30 I'm with Pit, what pool of money is this bonus coming from ?? _____________________ artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity
Ironchef Cook - Join date: 23 Jun 2003 Posts: 574	08-08-2003 10:37 I may be wrong, but doesnt our stipend come from nothing?
Pituca FairChang Married to Garth Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 2,679	08-09-2003 07:53 Well my humble take on it is that the "stipend" is the return on our investment (RL) in SL, and the "bonus" received is a result of our labors in said SL. And I am surprized that non of our resident geniuses waxed eloquent answering my question as to where the L$ come from to pay referral fees. _____________________
David Cartier Registered User Join date: 8 Jun 2003 Posts: 1,018	08-09-2003 08:21 And here I was, thinking Cal worked for Microsoft or something, LOL. If Cal has brought in another sixty or so subscribers, which has to be about what - maybe seven or eight percent of all current subscribers? - we all ought to thank him (especially since all of his referrals I've met are pretty decent types) and not trash him. If he wants to spend his own resources to bring new members in, well, we are all free to do the same. From: someone Originally posted by Darwin Appleby AH HA!!! SO THAT'S HOW CAL HAS 50 FARKING REFERRALS! Lindens, is this not misconduct?! That's kinda cheating the system, isn't it?!

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