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Hikaru Yamamoto
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08-25-2005 01:06
The fundamental particles of the SLuniverse that physicists have identified—scripts, pixels, and so on—are the "make-up" of all primitives. They appear to have no further internal substructure. Hippo theory proclaims otherwise. According to hippo theory, if we could examine these particles with even greater precision—a precision many orders of magnitude beyond our present technological capacity—we would find that each is not pointlike but instead consists of a tiny, one-dimensional hippos. Like an infinitely thin rubber hippo, each particle contains a vibrating, oscillating, dancing filament that physicists have named a hippo.
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Jesrad Seraph
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08-25-2005 01:18
I have an alternate theory to offer: it is that the fundamental brick of everything in the SLUniverse is a pair of dancing hippos, one male and one female (wearing a tutu).

These pairs can either be dancing the Cha-Cha, the Tango, the Valse, or the Salsa, which affects their physical properties.

Ballets of these pairs form all the larger particles, depending on the number of couples dancing and in which direction (=dimension) they dance. Sometimes one Male or Female Hippo gets hit by one of another pair and gets tossed out of the ballet, only to wander around until it comes back into another ballet that is missing one hippo. These wandering Hippos are what we call the Zippos.
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Laukosargas Svarog
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08-25-2005 03:06
Surely you're both forgetting about Dark Mud ?
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Euterpe Roo
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08-25-2005 05:15
You can, with reasonable assurance, predict where a hippo is but not when a hippo is. Conversely, you can, with reasonable assurance, predict when a hippo is but not where a hippo is.

Mostly, they dig mud.
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08-25-2005 11:29
Those poor, lonely wandering Hippos. Perhaps they should try match.com.
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Keknehv Psaltery
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08-25-2005 18:20
So, Euterpe, a hippo is either in the right place at an unknown time, or at an unknown place at the right time?
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08-25-2005 19:53
Mole People are able to drift between the hippos without being detected. This is how they manage to live under The Grid All Hail The Central Grid.
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Cid Jacobs
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08-25-2005 21:14
From: Euterpe Roo
You can, with reasonable assurance, predict where a hippo is but not when a hippo is. Conversely, you can, with reasonable assurance, predict when a hippo is but not where a hippo is.

Mostly, they dig mud.

Hippo entanglement is a hippo mechanical phenomenon in which the hippo states of two or more objects have to be described with reference to each other, even though the individual objects may be spatially separated. This leads to correlations between observable physical properties of the systems. For example, it is possible to prepare two hippos in a single hippo state such that when one is observed to be cha-cha, the other one will always be observed to be tango and vice versa, this despite the fact that it is impossible to predict, according to hippo mechanics, which set of measurements will be observed. As a result, measurements performed on one system seem to be instantaneously influencing other systems entangled with it. However, classical information cannot be transmitted through entanglement faster than the speed of lindens.

The assumption about mud is still up for debate though.... :p
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Euterpe Roo
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08-26-2005 07:18
From: Cid Jacobs
Hippo entanglement is a hippo mechanical phenomenon in which the hippo states of two or more objects have to be described with reference to each other, even though the individual objects may be spatially separated. This leads to correlations between observable physical properties of the systems.For example, it is possible to prepare two hippos in a single hippo state such that when one is observed to be cha-cha, the other one will always be observed to be tango and vice versa, this despite the fact that it is impossible to predict, according to hippo mechanics, which set of measurements will be observed. As a result, measurements performed on one system seem to be instantaneously influencing other systems entangled with it. However, classical information cannot be transmitted through entanglement faster than the speed of lindens.

The assumption about mud is still up for debate though.... :p


Thank you, Cid.

I really am hopelessly ignorant when comes to these things, hence the unsubstantiated generalizations.

If we take what you have posted to be true, it follows:

Electromagnetic Force: What keeps a cha-cha hippo 'tripping the light fantastic' with a tango hippo, and, by extension, what keeps booty-shaking hippos in mud (I am more convinced about the mud assumption)

Strong Force: What makes mud, mud.

Weak Force: Over time, the hippos and the mud decay. It involves the exchange of intermediate vector bisons.

Gravity: Is the real kicker.

If I am inaccurate, please set me straight. :D

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Cid Jacobs
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08-26-2005 08:20
From: Euterpe Roo
Electromagnetic Force: What keeps a cha-cha hippo 'tripping the light fantastic' with a tango hippo, and, by extension, what keeps booty-shaking hippos in mud (I am more convinced about the mud assumption)

That is the old school of thought on Hippos. The new school dictates Hippo electrodynamics, commonly referred to as HED, is a hippo theory of the electromagnetic force. Taking the example of the force between two hippos, the classical theory of electromagnetism would describe it as arising from the electric field produced by each hippo at the position of the other. The force can be calculated from Linden's law.

The hippo theory approach visualizes the force between the hippos as an exchange force arising from the exchange of virtual primitives.

With time proceeding upward, the hippo interaction in which two hippos enter, exchange a primitive, and then emerge. Using a mathematical approach known as the Linden calculus, the strength of the force can be calculated in a series of steps which assign contributions to each of the types of Lindens associated with the force.

HED applies to all electromagnetic phenomena associated with charged fundamental Hippos such as cha-cha Hippos and tango Hippos, and the associated phenomena such as pair production, cha cha-tango annihilation, salsa Hippo scattering, etc. It was used to precisely model some hippo phenomena which had no classical analogs, such as the Lamb shift and the anomalous magnetic moment of the electron. HED was the first successful hippo theory, incorporating such ideas as primative creation and annihilation into a self-consistent framework. The development of the theory was the basis of the 2001 Nobel Prize in physics, awarded to Philip Rosedale, Robin Harper and Cory Ondrejka.

I am still not quite convinced about MUD theory yet, although i hear there is ground-breaking work being done on it at the moment. :D
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08-26-2005 08:49
The "hippo" marklar is just a marklar of marklar. Marklar.
Euterpe Roo
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08-26-2005 09:16
From: Cid Jacobs
HED applies to all electromagnetic phenomena associated with charged fundamental Hippos such as cha-cha Hippos and tango Hippos, and the associated phenomena such as pair production, cha cha-tango annihilation, salsa Hippo scattering, etc. It was used to precisely model some hippo phenomena which had no classical analogs, such as the Lamb shift and the anomalous magnetic moment of the electron.


This is freakin' poetry, man. :D

A sidenote: MUD or Maximum Utilization Dynamics is, as you say, a burgeoning field of Hippo Mechanics. Essentially, (I have worked this out in crayon on a legal pad) there are elements of the composition of Hippo substructure that have macrocosmic implications; namely, that in any given 512m2, there can exist a limited number of prims constituted, as we have seen, by a specific number and quality of hippo. This number is a constant. It is a physcical steady-state that, if exceeded, becomes critical mass.
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08-26-2005 10:01
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Oh puh-leaze!
08-26-2005 12:36
From: Euterpe Roo
Over time, the hippos and the mud decay. It involves the exchange of intermediate vector bisons.


"Involves" the "exchange" of such bisons? Er, can we get a little more speCIfic, here, Eu?

(Guys, guys: surely you won't let her buffalo us with this appalling generality!)
Euterpe Roo
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08-26-2005 12:44
Did I say 'bisons'? OMG. I did. I meant 'bosons.' I must have gotten all caught up in the furvor. :eek:

(Question: What is sexier than a girl-geek with an inadequate command of Newtonian physics and a tendency toward loquaciousness? Answer: Just about anything. :D)
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I rest my case
08-26-2005 12:55
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Correction.
08-26-2005 12:55
From: Euterpe Roo
Did I say 'bisons'? OMG. I did. I meant 'bosons.' I must have gotten all caught up in the furvor. :eek:

(Question: What is sexier than a girl-geek with an inadequate command of Newtonian physics and a tendency toward loquaciousness? Answer: Just about anything. :D)


Answer: Nothing in this universe or the next. :)
Keknehv Psaltery
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08-26-2005 13:07
So, under the hippo model, what would occur if a 512m plot with one hippo short of critical mass was removed? Would the hippos lose their propertational attraction instantly, or would it be governed by the speed of light? Or would it be governed by some other, yet to be found constant, such as the speed of Lag?
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08-26-2005 13:24
From: Keknehv Psaltery
So, under the hippo model, what would occur if a 512m plot with one hippo short of critical mass was removed? Would the hippos lose their propertational attraction instantly, or would it be governed by the speed of light? Or would it be governed by some other, yet to be found constant, such as the speed of Lag?


As I recall, the avatar yclept RoXXorz1 Alexandrov has postulated a certain dispersal pattern among paired hippos immediately following such 512m plot-removal, with that pattern's complexity commensurate with the amount of lag manifesting, simultaneously, in a strangely ringlike form around the hippo-particles under consideration.

I think RoXXie also refered to this unique form as "Alexandrov's Lag-Time Band," but I may be misremembering here ...
Euterpe Roo
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08-26-2005 13:27
From: Keknehv Psaltery
So, under the hippo model, what would occur if a 512m plot with one hippo short of critical mass was removed? Would the hippos lose their propertational attraction instantly, or would it be governed by the speed of light? Or would it be governed by some other, yet to be found constant, such as the speed of Lag?


If we take c to be the speed of light (c=3.0 x 10_8 m/s2 [approximately])
We could examine lag (designated as l) as (l=3.0 x 10_-8 m/s2 [approximately])

I plan an elaborate experiment later tonight. It involves a hippo, 300 prims, and a night club full of nakie, sexy avies. :D
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Euterpe Roo
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08-26-2005 13:46
From: Memory Harker
but I may be misremembering here ...


Whan that she yclept Memory--
Entuned in hir nose ful semely,
And frenssh she spak ful faire and fetisly,
And sikerly she was of greet desport
And ful plseaunt, and amyable of port.
But she often forgot stuff. :D
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08-26-2005 14:18
How can one even begin to respond to such an a prioressi argument?

Memory fails.
Euterpe Roo
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08-26-2005 14:54
From: Memory Harker
How can one even begin to respond to such an a prioressi argument?

Memory fails.


My posteriori! :D
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Cid Jacobs
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08-26-2005 15:35
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Answer: Nothing in this universe or the next. :)

Couldn't agree more :D .

From: Memory Harker
"Involves" the "exchange" of such bisons? Er, can we get a little more speCIfic, here, Eu?

(Guys, guys: surely you won't let her buffalo us with this appalling generality!)



Suppose we have a system of N bosons which can occupy mutually orthogonal single-hippo states |\phi_1\rang, |\phi_2\rang, |\phi_3\rang, and so on. The usual method of writing a multi-hippo state is to assign a parcel to each hippo and then impose exchange symmetry. As we have seen, the resulting wavefunction is an unwieldy sum of N! terms. In contrast, in the second quantized approach we will simply list the number of hippos in each of the single-hippo parcels, with the understanding that the multi-particle wavefunction is symmetric. To be specific, suppose that N = 3, with one hippo in parcel |\phi_1\rang and two in parcel|\phi_2\rang. The normal way of writing the wavefunction is

\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} \left[ |\phi_1\rang |\phi_2\rang |\phi_2\rang + |\phi_2\rang |\phi_1\rang |\phi_2\rang + |\phi_2\rang |\phi_2\rang |\phi_1\rang \right]

In second quantized form, we write this as

|1, 2, 0, 0, 0, \cdots \rangle

which means "one hippo in parcel 1, two hippos in parcel 2, and zero hippos in all the other parcels."

Though the difference is entirely notational, the latter form makes it easy for us to define creation and annihilation operators, which add and subtract particles from multi-particle states. These creation and annihilation operators are very similar to those defined for the hippo harmonic oscillator, which added and subtracted energy "hippoites". However, these operators literally create and annihilate hippos with a given hippo state. The bosonic annihilation operator a2 and creation operator a_2^\dagger have the following effects:

a_2 | N_1, N_2, N_3, \cdots \rangle = \sqrt{N_2} \mid N_1, (N_2 - 1), N_3, \cdots \rangle
a_2^\dagger | N_1, N_2, N_3, \cdots \rangle = \sqrt{N_2 + 1} \mid N_1, (N_2 + 1), N_3, \cdots \rangle

We may well ask whether these are operators in the usual hippo mechanical sense, i.e. linear operators acting on an abstract Hilbert space. In fact, the answer is yes: they are operators acting on a kind of expanded Hilbert space, known as a Fock space, composed of the space of a system with no hippo (the so-called non-hippo sim), plus the space of a 1-hippo system, plus the space of a 2-hippo system, and so forth. Furthermore, the creation and annihilation operators are indeed Hermitian conjugates, which justifies the way we have written them.

The bosonic creation and annihilation operators obey the commutation relation

\left[a_i , a_j \right] = 0 \quad,\quad \left[a_i^\dagger , a_j^\dagger \right] = 0 \quad,\quad \left[a_i , a_j^\dagger \right] = \delta_{ij}

where δ stands for the Kronecker delta. These are precisely the relations obeyed by the "ladder operators" for an infinite set of independent hippo harmonic oscillators, one for each single-hippo parcel. Adding or removing bosons from each parcel is therefore analogous to exciting or de-exciting a hippo of energy in a harmonic oscillator.

The final step toward obtaining a hippo theory is to re-write our original N-particle Hamiltonian in terms of creation and annihilation operators acting on a Fock space. For instance, the Hamiltonian of a field of free (non-interacting) bosons is

H = \sum_k E_k \, a^\dagger_k \,a_k

where Ek is the energy of the k-th single-hippo energy eigenstate. Note that

a_k^\dagger\,a_k|\cdots\rangle=N_k| \cdots, N_k, \cdots \rangle.

With all this said, the current smallest known parcel being 16 meters^2 should lead to some further interesting interactions on the sub-parcel level. :)
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