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Beau Perkins

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08-30-2005 22:48

I agree now. I dont think we should make an easier system to sell and buy L$.

I feel protecting two people at GOM. AnsheChung.com and the communist run business of IGE are more important than a system that 99.9% of SL benefits from.

What was I ever thinking?

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blaze Spinnaker

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Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

08-30-2005 22:55

Buying currency from SL makes sense but

But tell me, how does allowing anyone to sell currency help the economy ONE iota?

Gimme a break! If Philip wanted to work with GOM he could have let them be the currency buyers.

People who wanted to sell currency can EASILY sell currency via GOM. They do not need SL to help them do that.

Letting users buying currency via LL - absolutely. Makes all the sense in the world!

But selling? No. That is just Philip not wanting to work with the community.

Philip is just taking us all for chumps who can't analyze anything.

Why do you think they manufacture all those numbers on the home page? Because he thinks we're all chumps.

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Beau Perkins

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Join date: 25 Dec 2003

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08-30-2005 22:59

From: blaze Spinnaker

Ok beau, tell me, how does allowing anyone to sell currency help the economy ONE iota?

Gimme a break! If Philip wanted to work with GOM he could have let them be the currency buyers.

In theory, a system that makes buying and selling easier can give the economy a boost because more transactions will take place. I also agree with the arguement that a lot of new residents just dont feel safe using a 3rd party service.

Also blaze, anyone who knows me can tell you I have been complaining about the available options for a long time. I dont like any of the choices. I am pretty sure I am not the only one either.

I am not saying I hate GOM and are happy they might lose revenue here. I just feel there can be a better option.

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blaze Spinnaker

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Join date: 12 Aug 2004

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08-30-2005 23:01

Making it easy for anyone to sell currency will DRAIN value out of the L$

If I have to go to GOM to sell I might take longer to sell my currency, thus leaving VALUE (USD) in the economy.

Philip, philip, philip! What are you doing! You easily could have made everyone happy here.

Not to mention the fact that now he has to figure out how to pay 1000s of currency sellers. He could have left that all up to GOM as a partner!

Sheesh!

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Enabran Templar

Capitalist Pig

Join date: 26 Aug 2004

Posts: 4,506

08-30-2005 23:05

Wow, blaze. At least be consistent in your trolling. Weren't you just praising this move?

/130/8b/59225/1.html

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Beau Perkins

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08-30-2005 23:05

From: blaze Spinnaker

Making it easy for anyone to sell currency will DRAIN value out of the L$

If I have to go to GOM to sell I might take longer to sell my currency, thus leaving VALUE (USD) in the economy.

Philip, philip, philip! What are you doing! You easily could have made everyone happy here.

Not to mention the fact that now he has to figure out how to pay 1000s of currency sellers. He could have left that all up to GOM as a partner!

Sheesh!

That makes no sense at all. You are leaving out the part of easier to buy.

I refuse to continue this discussion with someone who obviously is always going to say what ever it takes to ruffle feathers.

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blaze Spinnaker

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08-30-2005 23:13

From: Beau Perkins

That makes no sense at all. You are leaving out the part of easier to buy.

No I'm not. Trust me, I have analyzed this very deeply.

It makes perfect sense for LL to facilitate the buying of L$ for players.

Philips story is sound there: registering on GOM in order to buy 50 L$ is sheer stupidity.

However, letting GOM buy the currency to SELL to joe average player, makes complete sense.

Why is Philip taking over this role?

_____________________

Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

blaze Spinnaker

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Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

08-30-2005 23:14

From: Enabran Templar

Wow, blaze. At least be consistent in your trolling. Weren't you just praising this move?

/130/8b/59225/1.html

I hadn't thought about the fact yet that LL could easily avoid participating on the buy side.

Anyways.. consistency. It's the bugaboo of little minds.

_____________________

Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Enabran Templar

Capitalist Pig

Join date: 26 Aug 2004

Posts: 4,506

08-30-2005 23:14

To give you something to talk about, champ! Now go get that mean ol' nasty man!

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From: Hiro Pendragon

Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.

Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?

Enabran Templar

Capitalist Pig

Join date: 26 Aug 2004

Posts: 4,506

08-30-2005 23:16

From: blaze Spinnaker

Anyways.. consistency. It's the bugaboo of little minds.

Don't be down on yourself. None of us thinks you have a little mind because you can't stay consistent. I'm sure it'd be challenging for any of us, kiddo.

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From: Hiro Pendragon

Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.

Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?

blaze Spinnaker

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Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

08-30-2005 23:20

Hmm. I'd put you on ignore but that'd probably just piss you off so that you'd post more.

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Enabran Templar

Capitalist Pig

Join date: 26 Aug 2004

Posts: 4,506

08-30-2005 23:24

From: blaze Spinnaker

Hmm. I'd put you on ignore but that'd probably just piss you off so that you'd post more.

Wouldn't bother me at all, champ, really wouldn't! I know you're just such an insatiably curious little tiger, you'd peak anyway, so it wouldn't matter.

That's what I like to see, sport, real tenacity, there! Make your uncle Enabran proud.

edit: Oops, caughtcha! Deletin' his posts, what a sneaky fella!

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From: Hiro Pendragon

Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.

Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?

Enabran Templar

Capitalist Pig

Join date: 26 Aug 2004

Posts: 4,506

08-30-2005 23:29

Nice. Got blaze deleting his own ill-advised posts. Sorry, kiddo, gotcha quoted. Gonna have to be a little quicker next time!

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From: Hiro Pendragon

Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.

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Kevn Klein

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Join date: 5 Nov 2004

Posts: 3,422

08-31-2005 13:34

From: blaze Spinnaker

Making it easy for anyone to sell currency will DRAIN value out of the L$

If I have to go to GOM to sell I might take longer to sell my currency, thus leaving VALUE (USD) in the economy.

Philip, philip, philip! What are you doing! You easily could have made everyone happy here.

Not to mention the fact that now he has to figure out how to pay 1000s of currency sellers. He could have left that all up to GOM as a partner!

Sheesh!

As it is now, anyone can sell $L on GOM. To bolster the value of $L we need more people buying $L. If buying $L is made easy, more people will buy, making the value go up. The fact it's easier to sell $L will not negatively affect the value, imo.

The market works on a balance, supply on one side, demand on the other side. When demand goes up because more people are buying, the value will naturally increase. If supply increases the value will go down, but LL isn't planning to introduce new money into the system beyond what is already being added. The arguement suggesting more people selling $L will somehow increase the amount of $L on the market is wrong imho. There is a limited amount of $L going into the system each day. That amount will not change based on the change. If some people have been hoarding $L because they were too lazy to use GOM, that money will be quickly digested into the economy, and any effect it may have will be short lived.

Just more of my rambling...

Lynn Lippmann

Toe Jammer

Join date: 12 Jun 2003

Posts: 793

08-31-2005 15:26

From: Beau Perkins

I agree now. I dont think we should make an easier system to sell and buy L$.

I feel protecting two people at GOM. AnsheChung.com and the communist run business of IGE are more important than a system that 99.9% of SL benefits from.

What was I ever thinking?

You were possibly thinking what Shaft you could give another creator? Oh, sorry, oh wait, no it's ON topic.

_____________________

They give us new smilies

but what about the TOES? Toe the line Linden's! Toes for the Toeless!

My mind has been changed.....
Beau Perkins Second Life Resident. Join date: 25 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,061	08-30-2005 22:48 I agree now. I dont think we should make an easier system to sell and buy L$. I feel protecting two people at GOM. AnsheChung.com and the communist run business of IGE are more important than a system that 99.9% of SL benefits from. What was I ever thinking? _____________________
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	08-30-2005 22:55 Buying currency from SL makes sense but But tell me, how does allowing anyone to sell currency help the economy ONE iota? Gimme a break! If Philip wanted to work with GOM he could have let them be the currency buyers. People who wanted to sell currency can EASILY sell currency via GOM. They do not need SL to help them do that. Letting users buying currency via LL - absolutely. Makes all the sense in the world! But selling? No. That is just Philip not wanting to work with the community. Philip is just taking us all for chumps who can't analyze anything. Why do you think they manufacture all those numbers on the home page? Because he thinks we're all chumps. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Beau Perkins Second Life Resident. Join date: 25 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,061	08-30-2005 22:59 From: blaze Spinnaker Ok beau, tell me, how does allowing anyone to sell currency help the economy ONE iota? Gimme a break! If Philip wanted to work with GOM he could have let them be the currency buyers. In theory, a system that makes buying and selling easier can give the economy a boost because more transactions will take place. I also agree with the arguement that a lot of new residents just dont feel safe using a 3rd party service. Also blaze, anyone who knows me can tell you I have been complaining about the available options for a long time. I dont like any of the choices. I am pretty sure I am not the only one either. I am not saying I hate GOM and are happy they might lose revenue here. I just feel there can be a better option. _____________________
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	08-30-2005 23:01 Making it easy for anyone to sell currency will DRAIN value out of the L$ If I have to go to GOM to sell I might take longer to sell my currency, thus leaving VALUE (USD) in the economy. Philip, philip, philip! What are you doing! You easily could have made everyone happy here. Not to mention the fact that now he has to figure out how to pay 1000s of currency sellers. He could have left that all up to GOM as a partner! Sheesh! _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	08-30-2005 23:05 Wow, blaze. At least be consistent in your trolling. Weren't you just praising this move? /130/8b/59225/1.html _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Beau Perkins Second Life Resident. Join date: 25 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,061	08-30-2005 23:05 From: blaze Spinnaker Making it easy for anyone to sell currency will DRAIN value out of the L$ If I have to go to GOM to sell I might take longer to sell my currency, thus leaving VALUE (USD) in the economy. Philip, philip, philip! What are you doing! You easily could have made everyone happy here. Not to mention the fact that now he has to figure out how to pay 1000s of currency sellers. He could have left that all up to GOM as a partner! Sheesh! That makes no sense at all. You are leaving out the part of easier to buy. I refuse to continue this discussion with someone who obviously is always going to say what ever it takes to ruffle feathers. _____________________
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	08-30-2005 23:13 From: Beau Perkins That makes no sense at all. You are leaving out the part of easier to buy. No I'm not. Trust me, I have analyzed this very deeply. It makes perfect sense for LL to facilitate the buying of L$ for players. Philips story is sound there: registering on GOM in order to buy 50 L$ is sheer stupidity. However, letting GOM buy the currency to SELL to joe average player, makes complete sense. Why is Philip taking over this role? _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	08-30-2005 23:14 From: Enabran Templar Wow, blaze. At least be consistent in your trolling. Weren't you just praising this move? /130/8b/59225/1.html I hadn't thought about the fact yet that LL could easily avoid participating on the buy side. Anyways.. consistency. It's the bugaboo of little minds. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	08-30-2005 23:14 To give you something to talk about, champ! Now go get that mean ol' nasty man! _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	08-30-2005 23:16 From: blaze Spinnaker Anyways.. consistency. It's the bugaboo of little minds. Don't be down on yourself. None of us thinks you have a little mind because you can't stay consistent. I'm sure it'd be challenging for any of us, kiddo. _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	08-30-2005 23:20 Hmm. I'd put you on ignore but that'd probably just piss you off so that you'd post more. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	08-30-2005 23:24 From: blaze Spinnaker Hmm. I'd put you on ignore but that'd probably just piss you off so that you'd post more. Wouldn't bother me at all, champ, really wouldn't! I know you're just such an insatiably curious little tiger, you'd peak anyway, so it wouldn't matter. That's what I like to see, sport, real tenacity, there! Make your uncle Enabran proud. edit: Oops, caughtcha! Deletin' his posts, what a sneaky fella! _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	08-30-2005 23:29 Nice. Got blaze deleting his own ill-advised posts. Sorry, kiddo, gotcha quoted. Gonna have to be a little quicker next time! _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Kevn Klein God is Love! Join date: 5 Nov 2004 Posts: 3,422	08-31-2005 13:34 From: blaze Spinnaker Making it easy for anyone to sell currency will DRAIN value out of the L$ If I have to go to GOM to sell I might take longer to sell my currency, thus leaving VALUE (USD) in the economy. Philip, philip, philip! What are you doing! You easily could have made everyone happy here. Not to mention the fact that now he has to figure out how to pay 1000s of currency sellers. He could have left that all up to GOM as a partner! Sheesh! As it is now, anyone can sell $L on GOM. To bolster the value of $L we need more people buying $L. If buying $L is made easy, more people will buy, making the value go up. The fact it's easier to sell $L will not negatively affect the value, imo. The market works on a balance, supply on one side, demand on the other side. When demand goes up because more people are buying, the value will naturally increase. If supply increases the value will go down, but LL isn't planning to introduce new money into the system beyond what is already being added. The arguement suggesting more people selling $L will somehow increase the amount of $L on the market is wrong imho. There is a limited amount of $L going into the system each day. That amount will not change based on the change. If some people have been hoarding $L because they were too lazy to use GOM, that money will be quickly digested into the economy, and any effect it may have will be short lived. Just more of my rambling...
Lynn Lippmann Toe Jammer Join date: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 793	08-31-2005 15:26 From: Beau Perkins I agree now. I dont think we should make an easier system to sell and buy L$. I feel protecting two people at GOM. AnsheChung.com and the communist run business of IGE are more important than a system that 99.9% of SL benefits from. What was I ever thinking? You were possibly thinking what Shaft you could give another creator? Oh, sorry, oh wait, no it's ON topic. _____________________ They give us new smilies but what about the TOES? Toe the line Linden's! Toes for the Toeless!

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