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Paris Cellardoor
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09-02-2005 09:58
I know Darko and I have left SL, but today I feel a need to vent about what is going on in our country. Some of you probably know how I feel about the bullshit administration running our country. I am saddened by what has happened to the victims of Hurricane Katrina. I am SO disgusted by our government for funding a war that should have NEVER taken place. There are NO terrorists in the USA. Because of this fucking bullshit war that our troops are fighting just to make the white fuckin' neo cons richer, the people have to raise money to help the victims of this catastrophe. We wouldn't even have to raise money if it wasn't for this fuckin' ridiculous war we are fighting. I honestly just want to vomit when I hear that fucktard of a president speak. Where the fuck was he before this even took place? Oh I know...vacationing. And to think this might not have been as severe as it is if Dubya wouldn't have cut funding to make the levees better to withstand something like this. If there is such thing as karma or a god, I hope the Bush administration gets it good. This man is nothing but a hypochristian as are all his supporters. Yes I said HYPOCHRISTIANS!! These ppl aren't true christians. I hope this opens America's eyes and I mean those that support Bush. This man and his administration do NOT give a shit about anyone but themselves and getting richer. I mean look at who the victims are...POOR black, white and elderly ppl. The Bush administration could care less about them, just one less poor person in this world or should I say a few hundred. So I will finish this by saying FUGWB!!

Let's all do whatever we can to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. My heart and thoughts are with you all.

Bring our troops home NOW!!
I support Cindy!! We were in Crawford supporting her and the other families.

ONE LOVE,
Paris
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Keknehv Psaltery
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09-02-2005 10:05
Obscenity is the product of an unsophisticated mind.

There's my stolen quote for the day.

I might have considered your post, but considering your desire to insert a four letter word in each sentence, I decided that there wouldn't be much reason arguing.
Paris Cellardoor
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09-02-2005 10:11
From: Keknehv Psaltery
Obscenity is the product of an unsophisticated mind.

There's my stolen quote for the day.

I might have considered your post, but considering your desire to insert a four letter word in each sentence, I decided that there wouldn't be much reason arguing.


OH PLEASE! What is obscene is the so called President of the USA. Some ppl are always so quick to make ones argument less just because of a little word called fuck. We are all grown up here and there is nothing wrong to use fuck when one is expressing anger. What is extremely vile is what the so called president has done to our country.

Freedom of speech is what I recall it is I am doing. Or has that been taken away from us as well.
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Pendari Lorentz
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09-02-2005 10:14
Well, I don't agree with your politics Paris, but that has never stopped me from loving you! And you sound like you could use a hug.

*BIG HUGS* :D
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Keknehv Psaltery
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09-02-2005 10:16
I'm envious of Pendari's approach to this.

Anyways, I'm not refuting your right to say what you want. I'm just saying that its content is not very edifying, seeing as how the majority of it is cursing.
pandastrong Fairplay
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09-02-2005 10:18
From: Keknehv Psaltery
Obscenity is the product of an unsophisticated mind.

There's my stolen quote for the day.

I might have considered your post, but considering your desire to insert a four letter word in each sentence, I decided that there wouldn't be much reason arguing.


"Prejudice based on diction is the product of a douchebag personality."

If I stole that quote, it MUST have been from Darko.

Right on Paris! :D
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Keknehv Psaltery
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09-02-2005 10:19
Panda, weren't you the one who wanted to suck Taco's blood?

And yes, I will have prejudice based on diction. Diction is content.
Paris Cellardoor
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09-02-2005 10:19
From: Pendari Lorentz
Well, I don't agree with your politics Paris, but that has never stopped me from loving you! And you sound like you could use a hug.

*BIG HUGS* :D


Love ya Pen! Not asking anyone to agree. Just venting. You know how passionate I can become. :)
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Talen Morgan
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09-02-2005 10:19
From: Keknehv Psaltery
Obscenity is the product of an unsophisticated mind.

There's my stolen quote for the day.

I might have considered your post, but considering your desire to insert a four letter word in each sentence, I decided that there wouldn't be much reason arguing.



Dismissal of someones thoughts because of the way they expressed themselves is the product of a small mind...no quotes were stolen in the writing of this post.

unfortunately aid in the form of money doesnt happen over night whether the government is supplying it or regular citizens....I understand your frustration Paris but it wouldn't matter who was president ...when a disaster of this magnitude happems it takes time to get the right help in place withought causing further mayhem.

and to be fair the army core of engineers have been searching for the problem of the levee;s for some time and they have no answers.....New Orleans is a bowl surrounded by water and even the best levees in the world have the same two enemies....water and time.


Unfortunately humans are stupid...New Orleans will be rebuilt and new levees will be designed and created....and in the future another hurricane will destroy the city again...its inevitable.
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pandastrong Fairplay
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09-02-2005 10:20
From: Keknehv Psaltery
Panda, weren't you the one who wanted to suck Taco's blood?

And yes, I will have prejudice based on diction. Diction is content.


Yes, but then I sucked something else. We both turned out better men.

Oh, and diction isn't content. Content is content. By saying diction is content, you are marginalizing every minority race and majority class that doesn't have equal access to grade A English classes. But because they read food-stamps instead of Orwell, they should just STFU, right?
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Sansarya Caligari
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Thank you Paris
09-02-2005 10:20
You are expressing what I'm feeling too. We held a candlelight vigil in support of Cindy and other military families here in Second Life, and through it formed a SL Political Action Committee (to host events for RL political issues). You fall right in line with our politics :) I'm also going to host Poets Against The War events soon as I stumble my way out of SL politics.

Also, thoughts and prayers for the victims of Katrina, and for those who wait and worry and those who are working right now to help.
Paris Cellardoor
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09-02-2005 10:20
From: pandastrong Fairplay
"Prejudice based on diction is the product of a douchebag personality."

If I stole that quote, it MUST have been from Darko.

Right on Paris! :D


Lot's of love to you Panda!! *kisses*
ONE LOVE!!
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09-02-2005 10:21
From: Paris Cellardoor
Not asking anyone to agree. Just venting. You know how passionate I can become. :)


Ah, good. I thought this was an argument. I will leave now.

Vent on, Paris, vent on...
Paris Cellardoor
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09-02-2005 10:23
From: Sansarya Caligari
You are expressing what I'm feeling too. We held a candlelight vigil in support of Cindy and other military families here in Second Life, and through it formed a SL Political Action Committee (to host events for RL political issues). You fall right in line with our politics :) I'm also going to host Poets Against The War events soon as I stumble my way out of SL politics.

Also, thoughts and prayers for the victims of Katrina, and for those who wait and worry and those who are working right now to help.


That is so awesome! I know many ppl in the forums in the past have flamed me for my language but I honestly believe that alot of ppl want to express it in the way I have but they can't, and that is okay. So I am more than happy to use my foul little mouth to do so. Keep the movement going!! More power to you!

ONE LOVE!!
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Paris Cellardoor
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09-02-2005 10:25
From: Talen Morgan
Dismissal of someones thoughts because of the way they expressed themselves is the product of a small mind...no quotes were stolen in the writing of this post.

unfortunately aid in the form of money doesnt happen over night whether the government is supplying it or regular citizens....I understand your frustration Paris but it wouldn't matter who was president ...when a disaster of this magnitude happems it takes time to get the right help in place withought causing further mayhem.

and to be fair the army core of engineers have been searching for the problem of the levee;s for some time and they have no answers.....New Orleans is a bowl surrounded by water and even the best levees in the world have the same two enemies....water and time.


Unfortunately humans are stupid...New Orleans will be rebuilt and new levees will be designed and created....and in the future another hurricane will destroy the city again...its inevitable.


Right on!! Much love to you Talen.
ONE LOVE!
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MaryAnn Rosebud
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09-02-2005 11:09
From: Talen Morgan

...and to be fair the army core of engineers have been searching for the problem of the levee;s for some time and they have no answers.....New Orleans is a bowl surrounded by water and even the best levees in the world have the same two enemies....water and time.
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I don’t entirely agree with this.

Im from the Netherlands, wich is for about 30/40% under sealevel. We have a long history of dealing with water and flooding and build-up a lot of knowledge around it, wich were happy to share with anyone who needs it.
I know building under sealevel in itself isnt a stupid thing to do. The land is vertile and the position is ideal for harbors and trade, so its economically relevant. But you need to be willing to spend on defendsystems for (sometimes seemingly unlikely) “would-be scenario’s” your under-sea-level land is vulnerable to, like a cat4 hurricane bashing in and flooding the place.
For example: the systems in my country are build for high-water level (including stormsurge) that’s calculated to occur only once in a thousand years.
Other countries think that’s already bizar, but with the global warming that’s going on and the rapidly deterioating worldwide weather-conditions because of it, we’re making the dikes even higher, to keep up with that once-in-a-thousand-years-goal.
So there’s going a lot of money and effort in our protection, and to be honest, I was pretty shocked to see how little of New Orleans watersystems could meet with the standards that are used down here. I know the situations are not completely comparable, but even then the differences in risk-calculation, money and time spend on it are obvious.

I'm not saying you should copy our standards, but some smaller efforts would have made a major difference. Some dikes in New Orleans held...for a while. Wich shows how relatively little had to be done to prevent them from breaking.
Placing pumps above sealevel also would have made a big difference.

So, while the hurricane and a lot of damage obviously wasn’t preventable, much of the flooding during the aftermath certainly was :(
Paris Cellardoor
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09-02-2005 11:14
From: MaryAnn Rosebud
I don’t entirely agree with this.

Im from the Netherlands, wich is for about 30/40% under sealevel. We have a long history of dealing with water and flooding and build-up a lot of knowledge around it, wich were happy to share with anyone who needs it.
I know building under sealevel in itself isnt a stupid thing to do. The land is vertile and the position is ideal for harbors and trade, so its economically relevant. But you need to be willing to spend on defendsystems for (sometimes seemingly unlikely) “would-be scenario’s” your under-sea-level land is vulnerable to, like a cat4 hurricane bashing in and flooding the place.
For example: the systems in my country are build for high-water level (including stormsurge) that’s calculated to occur only once in a thousand years.
Other countries think that’s already bizar, but with the global warming that’s going on and the rapidly deterioating worldwide weather-conditions because of it, we’re making the dikes even higher, to keep up with that once-in-a-thousand-years-goal.
So there’s going a lot of money and effort in our protection, and to be honest, I was pretty shocked to see how little of New Orleans watersystems could meet with the standards that are used down here. I know the situations are not completely comparable, but even then the differences in risk-calculation, money and time spend on it are obvious.

I'm not saying you should copy our standards, but some smaller efforts would have made a major difference. Some dikes in New Orleans held...for a while. Wich shows how relatively little had to be done to prevent them from breaking.
Placing pumps above sealevel also would have made a big difference.

So, while the hurricane and a lot of damage obviously wasn’t preventable, much of the flooding during the aftermath certainly was :(


Thanks so much for that MaryAnn. I also believe alot of the flooding could have been prevented. But unfortunatley we have a president who cuts our funds to fund what is only important to him and not the people.
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MaryAnn Rosebud
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09-02-2005 11:45
Believe me, i understand how you feel.

I can get so overwhelmed with whats happening in the world that at times I literally have to shut off from it, stop following it for weeks.

I sometimes feel like the brainlob that houses compassion is twice as big as it should be in me. Its so big its mainly ineffective, just hurting all the time.
Same for the anger and sadness that’s followed by it. Very ineffective when its too large.

Still figuring out whats wrong with me.

But I’ll let you know when I find out ;)

(edit: not, by any means, implying that theres something wrong with you Paris, and im sorry if it came across that way to anyone. Compassion should be norm, not neglect)
Paris Cellardoor
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09-02-2005 11:50
From: MaryAnn Rosebud
Believe me, i understand how you feel.

I can get so overwhelmed with whats happening in the world that at times I literally have to shut off from it, stop following it for weeks.

I sometimes feel like the brainlob that houses compassion is twice as big as it should be in me. Its so big its mainly ineffective, just hurting all the time.
Same for the anger and sadness that’s followed by it. Very ineffective when its too large.

Still figuring out whats wrong with me.

But I’ll let you know when I find out ;)


So true. I guess I just care so much. Sometimes I wish I was like some ppl and just didn't care, but I can't help it. I am a very compassionate person. Thank you so much for your kind words. It is overwhelming. :)
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Yes, Paris, there is a God/dess and Karma
09-02-2005 12:56
Paris, I totally agree with you...

the sight of those peope... huddled at the dome, at the convention center, stacking up the dead against a wall, or just leaving them in their wheelchairs and pushing them out of the way... the old and the sick who made it that far only to die after they got there... the children confused, scared... the families looking for their other members... people doing the best they can with what little they have left... the mayor begging for help, pleading for whatever assistance he can get for his fellow citizens... the debris scattered for hundreds of miles... treasures lost... lives lost... hope lost...

It's scary that it happened here - did any of us think when the tsunamis hit Indonesia that we could be hit too? Or did we all think that was something that would NEVER happen here?

I feel pretty stupid for thinking it'd never happen here, for thinking it COULDN'T happen here.

And now that it has, I fight the urge to burn my Karma point hating those who could have helped prevent it. Probably don't have many, but I'll earn what I can to send back to those who truly need them now.
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Rose Karuna
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09-02-2005 13:46
****/hugs Paris

With regard to your post, I haven't felt like our government representatives have had our (the publics) best interests at heart for a long, long time (either Republicans or Democrats). It has gotten progressively worse and has finally degenerated to this utter display of incompetence via pork barrel funding for projects that are not necessary that overide other projects (like reinforcement of levee's that protect entire cities) which are. It seems to be all about money, profit and power - fuck public safety.

Worse yet, there will be no accountability or leadership, only finger pointing and accusations. In the meantime, more people will die. I am SO heartsick over it and for the people caught up in the middle of it all.


:( :( :(
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Chance Abattoir
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09-02-2005 14:45
From: Paris Cellardoor
This man and his administration do NOT give a shit about anyone but themselves and getting richer.


In my opinion,

It doesn't matter which party is at the helm. Our forefathers didn't foresee the formation of corporations. We have separation of church and state, but not separation of state and corporate interest.

Greed is intrinsic to human nature, so it is only natural that our leaders (being people who sought power and earned it by defeating thousands of other power-hungry individuals) would only want more for themselves. That part is a given. What needs to happen is there needs to be a symbiotic relationship between greed and need-- but with corporate interest in the picture there seems to be an overabundance of greed.
The trick to making the government work in our favor is having THE PEOPLE be the only hand that feeds-- Not corporate kickbacks, corporate lobby groups, or our politicians' own corporate investments or aspirations.

I'm not saying we should be communist or anything like that. Hell, I love capitalism- the great Satan at it's finest... But the way power flows at the moment, the need of the People will always come third to greed, and second to image tailoring and branding that defends that greed.

The government needs to be reminded who their masters are, but how do you do that when most of the government is tied up in a buddy-buddy system of greed and corruption?

Anyway, your frustration is shared, but changing parties isn't going to solve the problem, just change the way the image is tailored.
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MaryAnn Rosebud
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09-04-2005 00:26
From: Chance Abattoir
In my opinion,

It doesn't matter which party is at the helm. Our forefathers didn't foresee the formation of corporations. We have separation of church and state, but not separation of state and corporate interest.

Greed is intrinsic to human nature, so it is only natural that our leaders (being people who sought power and earned it by defeating thousands of other power-hungry individuals) would only want more for themselves. That part is a given. What needs to happen is there needs to be a symbiotic relationship between greed and need-- but with corporate interest in the picture there seems to be an overabundance of greed.
The trick to making the government work in our favor is having THE PEOPLE be the only hand that feeds-- Not corporate kickbacks, corporate lobby groups, or our politicians' own corporate investments or aspirations.

I'm not saying we should be communist or anything like that. Hell, I love capitalism- the great Satan at it's finest... But the way power flows at the moment, the need of the People will always come third to greed, and second to image tailoring and branding that defends that greed.

The government needs to be reminded who their masters are, but how do you do that when most of the government is tied up in a buddy-buddy system of greed and corruption?

Anyway, your frustration is shared, but changing parties isn't going to solve the problem, just change the way the image is tailored.



Agreed. Its why the touch of socialism in a capitalist society works so well.
To keep one eye of the bosses focused on the people they need to stay bosses.

Pure hardcore capitalism has it all to descend into the old “Landlord” system; a minority with power and their workers at risk of loosing most of their basic rights, basically used as workhorses or even slaves, not by being bought and sold, but by being so poor they’d die if they wouldn’t accept the work.
We have a very beautiful word for that position in my language, wich I cannot translate but it literally says something like “the body owned by the boss”, so your body not being your own anymore.

You basically have to balance-out human tendencies against eachother to create a livable society. Not denie them, or jam ideals down everybodies throath, but balance out until you have a system that benefits most.