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We should get a refund!!!!

Lex Neva
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05-14-2005 18:51
Or not...

From: Terms of Service

9.1 Disclaimer. LINDEN PROVIDES THE SERVICE, THE LINDEN SOFTWARE, THE ACCOUNT AND ALL OTHER SERVICES STRICTLY ON AN "AS IS" BASIS, PROVIDED AT YOUR OWN RISK, AND HEREBY EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, WRITTEN OR ORAL, EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF TITLE, NONINFRINGEMENT, MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Without limiting the foregoing, Linden does not ensure continuous, error-free, secure or virus-free operation of the Service, the Linden Software or your Account, and you understand that you shall not be entitled to refunds for fees based on Linden ’s failure to provide any of the foregoing. Some states do not allow the disclaimer of implied warranties, and to that extent, the foregoing disclaimer may not apply to you.


Now, they've given us a refund for downtime once in the past that I know of, but they were doing it purely at their whim as a favor.

I know this is just random legalese that most people probably didn't even bother to read, but really, folks, we're all adults here, and we all realize that SL goes down occasionally. We should also realize that SL is about the coolest thing on the net right now, and as a cutting edge service, it may be susceptible to down-time. It's all part of the game.

If you're really that mad about down-time and upset about how much money you put into tier, only to be blocked from logging on for a few days, then cancel your account. Wash your hands of it. I hope you won't, though. The people are what make LS really fun, both the players and the Lindens. Sometimes problems happen, but we have to remember that the ones trying to fix it are real people, and right now they're putting all of their effort into getting SL back up as soon as possible -- on a Saturday.

Let's all be adults about this and be excited about when SL comes back, not angry and bitter for the small time when it's gone. If we all really thought SL was complete crap, we wouldn't still be here, waiting and hoping that it'd come back. In truth, we all love it, and we can't keep ourselves away from it. Let's not let our anxiety and enthusiasm show negatively during this rough spot.
Pie Psaltery
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Join date: 13 Jan 2004
Posts: 987
05-14-2005 18:56
but... but... but... I dont wanna be an adult dammit I wanna PLAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY!
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Jesse Brearly
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Join date: 20 Mar 2005
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05-14-2005 18:58
From: Lex Neva
Or not...



Now, they've given us a refund for downtime once in the past that I know of, but they were doing it purely at their whim as a favor.

I know this is just random legalese that most people probably didn't even bother to read, but really, folks, we're all adults here, and we all realize that SL goes down occasionally. We should also realize that SL is about the coolest thing on the net right now, and as a cutting edge service, it may be susceptible to down-time. It's all part of the game.

If you're really that mad about down-time and upset about how much money you put into tier, only to be blocked from logging on for a few days, then cancel your account. Wash your hands of it. I hope you won't, though. The people are what make LS really fun, both the players and the Lindens. Sometimes problems happen, but we have to remember that the ones trying to fix it are real people, and right now they're putting all of their effort into getting SL back up as soon as possible -- on a Saturday.

Let's all be adults about this and be excited about when SL comes back, not angry and bitter for the small time when it's gone. If we all really thought SL was complete crap, we wouldn't still be here, waiting and hoping that it'd come back. In truth, we all love it, and we can't keep ourselves away from it. Let's not let our anxiety and enthusiasm show negatively during this rough spot.


Going down for a reasonable amount of time is a bit different then the service you paid for deteriating over the last few weeks of constant inability to log on in a timely manor and then these last few days were some are not able to log in at all.

We pay for a service, we expect that service to be up and running at all times except for maintance periods. It is also reasonable to expect updates to make things better and not worse.

I am not anti-LL, and I do understand they are working on a solution. Do I believe they have done everything they can to solve the problem? Hard to tell, personaly I do not belive so. I do know that they better be there right now in their office working on the problem for the service I pay to use until it is fixed... that is also reasonable.
Shadow Weaver
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Join date: 13 Jan 2003
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05-14-2005 18:58
From: Pie Psaltery
but... but... but... I dont wanna be an adult dammit I wanna PLAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY!

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Katiemouse Guildenstern
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05-14-2005 19:00
/me sits down and wails.......
Teeny Leviathan
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Join date: 20 May 2003
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05-14-2005 19:29
If I recall correctly, the last big screw up did get us a refund for time lost. The refund was based on your monthly tier fee minus 2 days. It wasn't much, but I guess cumulatively, LL did refund alot of money.
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Caresse Marten
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Join date: 16 Mar 2004
Posts: 144
05-14-2005 19:42
From: Jesse Brearly
Going down for a reasonable amount of time is a bit different then the service you paid for deteriating over the last few weeks of constant inability to log on in a timely manor and then these last few days were some are not able to log in at all.

We pay for a service, we expect that service to be up and running at all times except for maintance periods. It is also reasonable to expect updates to make things better and not worse.

I am not anti-LL, and I do understand they are working on a solution. Do I believe they have done everything they can to solve the problem? Hard to tell, personaly I do not belive so. I do know that they better be there right now in their office working on the problem for the service I pay to use until it is fixed... that is also reasonable.


Why oh why do I always agree with you it seems? The funny thing is is on Friday, before I went to RL work...I saw LL was hiring for Customer Service Specialist...I soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo thought about applying...*Clings to her resume and keeps it away*
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Jesse Brearly
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Join date: 20 Mar 2005
Posts: 234
05-14-2005 21:03
From: Caresse Marten
Why oh why do I always agree with you it seems? The funny thing is is on Friday, before I went to RL work...I saw LL was hiring for Customer Service Specialist...I soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo thought about applying...*Clings to her resume and keeps it away*


Great minds think alike? LOL Probably more that we both have related RL jobs and know the struggles from both sides.
Blake Rockwell
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Join date: 31 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,606
05-14-2005 21:13
From: Caresse Marten
Why oh why do I always agree with you it seems? The funny thing is is on Friday, before I went to RL work...I saw LL was hiring for Customer Service Specialist...I soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo thought about applying...*Clings to her resume and keeps it away*


Why do you think they need help? LOL!
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Calix Metropolitan
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05-14-2005 21:23
From: Lex Neva
Originally Posted by Terms of Service
9.1 Disclaimer. LINDEN PROVIDES THE SERVICE, THE LINDEN SOFTWARE, THE ACCOUNT AND ALL OTHER SERVICES STRICTLY ON AN "AS IS" BASIS, PROVIDED AT YOUR OWN RISK, AND HEREBY EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, WRITTEN OR ORAL, EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF TITLE, NONINFRINGEMENT, MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Without limiting the foregoing, Linden does not ensure continuous, error-free, secure or virus-free operation of the Service, the Linden Software or your Account, and you understand that you shall not be entitled to refunds for fees based on Linden ’s failure to provide any of the foregoing. Some states do not allow the disclaimer of implied warranties, and to that extent, the foregoing disclaimer may not apply to you.
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Or not...



Now, they've given us a refund for downtime once in the past that I know of, but they were doing it purely at their whim as a favor.

I know this is just random legalese that most people probably didn't even bother to read, but really, folks, we're all adults here, and we all realize that SL goes down occasionally. We should also realize that SL is about the coolest thing on the net right now, and as a cutting edge service, it may be susceptible to down-time. It's all part of the game.

If you're really that mad about down-time and upset about how much money you put into tier, only to be blocked from logging on for a few days, then cancel your account. Wash your hands of it. I hope you won't, though. The people are what make LS really fun, both the players and the Lindens. Sometimes problems happen, but we have to remember that the ones trying to fix it are real people, and right now they're putting all of their effort into getting SL back up as soon as possible -- on a Saturday.

Let's all be adults about this and be excited about when SL comes back, not angry and bitter for the small time when it's gone. If we all really thought SL was complete crap, we wouldn't still be here, waiting and hoping that it'd come back. In truth, we all love it, and we can't keep ourselves away from it. Let's not let our anxiety and enthusiasm show negatively during this rough spot.



I agree with you on this, its not life or death...then again I don't want to degrade those who have spent years and tens of thousands of hours putting time into this software. If you read the article on www.cnet.com about 2nd Life you will see some participants make money here so its a mutually beneficial and frustrating thing to be locked out. I can see both sides here...as for the top portion about '9.1 - Disclaimer'...

I'll hop on Westlaw and see if there is a legal document regarding this issue or a precedent. It's my guess that most likely the reason this sec. article is vague is because like most of the terms of service they keep the litmus test high for deciding how/when/why/where/who penumbra for stuff like refunds, et al. I am also guessing it would have to be a case specific issue that started a mass refund and a person getting a court order or merely just contacting your credit card company and finding an issue that can effectively get a refund or court order for such (doubtful that would ever come to that, but who knows, I mean if you have several thousand invested and can prove this is damaging...)

Any other law students/laweyers/ppl with access to lexis or Westlaw, Id be interested in what you find. I'll see what I can.

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Keywe Magpie
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05-14-2005 22:17
Well I for one am SERIOUSLY looking back at There...... SL has increasingly gotten worse over the past few weeks and it is becoming harder and harder to imagine anything but the problems we have been facing and will face in the next few weeks to come....
Its started as a few hrs then a day but look at the threads.... days without being able to log in .....
So much for Customer Satisfaction....... what ever happend to Fair Trading Act???? Im sure this will be against those terms .... (will be looking into that side)
anyways as for being adult about the situation? after 3 hrs of not being able to get in after the 3 hrs yesterday and then the day before ontop of being told I am crashing while texturing objects was due to my texture sizes LOL.... SL is very very fast aiming at my sh*t list and There (unfortunately) is looking more and more appealing they do at least make an attempt at bugs not just say " sorry but keep trying when you get back to the log in screen) that my friends is nothing short of B.S.
Cocoanut Koala
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Join date: 7 Feb 2005
Posts: 7,903
05-14-2005 22:55
CRAP! I don't pay any tier, so that means I won't get any money!

How about my potential Bingo wins losses? I should get come compensation for that!

coco
Calix Metropolitan
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Join date: 10 May 2005
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05-16-2005 13:32
From: Cocoanut Koala
CRAP! I don't pay any tier, so that means I won't get any money!

How about my potential Bingo wins losses? I should get come compensation for that!

coco



You win bingo!!! Damn you lol...@#$#$
Lordfly Digeridoo
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Join date: 21 Jul 2003
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05-16-2005 13:38
From: Keywe Magpie

So much for Customer Satisfaction....... what ever happend to Fair Trading Act???? Im sure this will be against those terms .... (will be looking into that side)

:rolleyes:
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Alex Edo
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Join date: 27 Feb 2005
Posts: 108
So the game went Bang..
05-16-2005 13:50
Give them a break!

You must all know how hard and annoyign it is when some one complain or calls somthing of yours #@*$... So just give them a few hours..

I FULLY understand that you pay like $200 a months but lets give them 1 things LESS to worry about!

the less we complain the more they can do...
Can some one start a game or somthing i a BORED, but i wont complain hehe!

Yes the game is DOWN and i understand how annoyign it is.. maybe next time we hope they will wait and make sure everythign is ok!

But lets just keep busy :D