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Jarod Godel

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08-17-2005 08:51

From: someone

We've invited about 150 Friends Of O'Reilly, people who're doing interesting work in fields such as web services, data visualization and search, open source programming, computer security, hardware hacking, GPS, and all manner of emerging technologies to share their work-in-progess, show off the latest tech toys and hardware hacks, and tackle challenging problems together.

So, Cory Linden has been invited to the Friend's Of O'Reilly shindig, but I'm wondering why. The FOO, or FooCamp, lists the type of people they invite, but there's nothing up in that list that Cory's working on:

web services
Since when has Linden Lab worked with web services? Their XML-RPC gateway has been half-broken for over a year now.

data visualization and search
Maybe, but lacking a client API, I can't see how you could classify Second Life in the same category you'd put graphs, charts, or data mapping software. I won't even touch the "search" aspect of that.

open source programming
Cory says, "Making games is a difficult process and Open Source methods seem ill suited to making large scale games." So, it's obviously not that.

computer security
Aren't we still using plain-text passwords and plain-text, public listens while transacting real-dollar business?

hardware hacking
Isn't Linden Lab typically proud of their ability to use off-the-shelf components to run the grid?

GPS
Nope.

all manner of emerging technologies
I'd say maybe here, except virtual worlds have already emerged. Streaming technology has too -- and thanks to Podcasting, streaming has probably unemerged a bit.

So, while I poke and kid, I am curious why the FooCamp invited Cory. (And, no, I'm not jealous I didn't get invited. I'm more upset and intrigued that they picked Cory over someone, like Andrew, who has actually shown real technical savvy in my time in SL.)

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Eboni Khan

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08-17-2005 09:09

Stalker much?

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pandastrong Fairplay

all bout the BANG POW NOW

Join date: 16 Aug 2004

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08-17-2005 09:28

From: Eboni Khan

Stalker much?

Did you get your invitation for "advanced forum-posting histrionics"?

I know I did!

I can even bring a DATE!

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~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media

"That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline."

~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.

Jarod Godel

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08-17-2005 09:38

From: Eboni Khan

Stalker much?

There's this thing called "Internet," you should really use it sometime.

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Branduff Kojima

probably doesn't get it.

Join date: 1 Apr 2004

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08-17-2005 12:23

From: Jarod Godel

There's this thing called "Internet," you should really use it sometime.

OMFGWTF!?!?! When did that coem out?!?!?!?!

Eboni Khan

Misanthrope

Join date: 17 Mar 2004

Posts: 2,133

08-17-2005 12:49

From: Jarod Godel

There's this thing called "Internet," you should really use it sometime.

Wow, dude. I totally didn't know about the internet. Thanks for telling me about it. I will check it out. Do they sell it at Wal*Mart?

It is one thing to read something on the internet. It is another thing to sepculate on why someone was invited to something on a public message board, when it is really none of your damn business why. Thus, "Stalker, Much?".

Now, let me check out this internet thing...

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Jarod Godel

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08-17-2005 13:23

From: Eboni Khan

It is one thing to read something on the internet. It is another thing to sepculate on why someone was invited to something on a public message board, when it is really none of your damn business why. Thus, "Stalker, Much?".

I disagree. First off, if they're posting all that information to a public website, then it's public information. Public information can be anyone's "damn business" is that someone is curious enough to investigate.

Second, I speculate because I'm curious what criteria Cory has met. If there's some piece of Second Life that he's working on that's gotten enough buzz in the FooCamp circle to get him invited to a rather exclusive party of (seemingly) forward-thinking technologists, I'm very interested in knowing. If it's none of my "damn business," then all Cory and the rest of the world has to do is ignore me.

I'm not going to pretend it's not a little rude, and that I'm not trying to goad people a little to answer my questions, and hopefully reveal a little bit about some killer widget that got Cory on the list. I've very interested in killer widgets in Second Life.

But I guess displaying curiosity in the actions of a company and its employees is something that you've never done as a Fortune 1000 executive.

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blaze Spinnaker

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08-17-2005 13:40

I hear Cory has been promoted to VP Of Conference Going

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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Jellin Pico

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08-17-2005 14:06

From: Jarod Godel

So, Cory Linden has been invited to the Friend's Of O'Reilly shindig, but I'm wondering why. The FOO, or FooCamp, lists the type of people they invite, but there's nothing up in that list that Cory's working on:

)

Mmmmmm, I hereby pronounce these grapes .... BITTER!

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It's Official!

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Jellin, you are soooooo FIC! Fabulous, Intelligent and Cute

Jarod Godel

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08-17-2005 14:11

From: Jellin Pico

Mmmmmm, I hereby pronounce these grapes .... BITTER!

You mean sour grapes?

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Jellin Pico

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08-17-2005 14:14

From: Jarod Godel

You mean sour grapes?

Opps!! LOL yes, I always get sour grapes and bitter dregs mixed up

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It's Official!

From: Trinity Serpentine

Jellin, you are soooooo FIC! Fabulous, Intelligent and Cute

Huns Valen

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08-17-2005 14:14

oh you incorrigible gadfly you

"Data Visualization and Search" - this is probably it... SL is one of the most gargantuan data visualization systems on Earth.

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pandastrong Fairplay

all bout the BANG POW NOW

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08-17-2005 14:15

Jellin wins!

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~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media

"That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline."

~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.

Jarod Godel

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08-17-2005 14:21

From: Huns Valen

"Data Visualization and Search" - this is probably it... SL is one of the most gargantuan data visualization systems on Earth.

Maybe, and likely. However, with the exception of "Find" and stuff Xylor (someone else who should have been invited) has done, I don't see how useful it is for that. It could be, don't get me wrong, but right now... I dunno. You're right in regards to it being "one of the most gargantuan data visualization systems on Earth," but it doesn't strike me as being one of the coolest -- when compared against Google Earth, WorldWind, etc.

I'm really just hoping Cory or someone will come by and say, "Oh, well, when Tim, Tim O'Reilly, by the way, found out about my working on XYZ, I got invited."

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Memory Harker

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Posts: 393

The answer is ever so simple ...

08-17-2005 14:24

You may recall, Jarod, that Cory was recently inworld to purchase one of those "aluminum foil" hats that Loki Pico was selling. And since that time, Loki has been controlling Cory through the hat's double-seekrit reverse-psycho-transcriptase conduit, thus assuring his (Loki's) ultimate dominion over –––

URK!

Ardith Mifflin

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Posts: 1,416

08-17-2005 17:16

From: Jarod Godel

Aren't we still using plain-text passwords and plain-text, public listens while transacting real-dollar business?

Schwaa? /invalid_link.html

Jarod Godel

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08-17-2005 18:33

From: Ardith Mifflin

Schwaa? /invalid_link.html

Oh, cool! Glad to be wrong about that.

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Jarod Godel

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08-17-2005 19:45

Well, okay, I cen see why Cory got invited, and despite my earlier contentions, it makes sense after looking at that list. He's VP of Product Development, and that would be exact person O'Reilly, the publishers, would want to talk to about future books on 3D, Virtual World development.

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Ad aspera per intelligentem prohibitus.

Andrew Linden

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08-17-2005 23:57

I think virtual world technology is still emerging, so LL's presense at the O'Reilly conference makes sense.

There is much potential for SL to move into the "web services" space. Integration of a 2D browser into the SL engine will open all sorts of possibilites. I'm sure I can't even imagine what the most interesting applications will be.

Security is something in which many of us here at LL are interested (the SL client password is not sent as clear text).

There is much data to be processed/browsed in SL and as developers of the technology we are interested in data visualization/search and how to make it better and easier within the SL user interface.

Cory's statement about OS not being well suited for large scale games is correct for games that have high art/content costs and a relatively short lifespan. I once read an article where it was pointed out why OS does not work well for games. As noted at the end, it DOES work well for games with a long lifespan, which is why I think it would work well for SL, and why I'm in the "open the source sooner rather than later" camp here at LL.

Please take my word for it: Cory is the correct guy to be going to things like FooCamp. He is smarter than me and much faster at whatever it is he sets his mind to. A sharper razor would be hard to find.

Me? I just like to make verbose technical posts to these forums whenever I get the chance.

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Jarod Godel Utilitarian Join date: 6 Nov 2003 Posts: 729	08-17-2005 08:51 From: someone We've invited about 150 Friends Of O'Reilly, people who're doing interesting work in fields such as web services, data visualization and search, open source programming, computer security, hardware hacking, GPS, and all manner of emerging technologies to share their work-in-progess, show off the latest tech toys and hardware hacks, and tackle challenging problems together. So, Cory Linden has been invited to the Friend's Of O'Reilly shindig, but I'm wondering why. The FOO, or FooCamp, lists the type of people they invite, but there's nothing up in that list that Cory's working on: web services Since when has Linden Lab worked with web services? Their XML-RPC gateway has been half-broken for over a year now. data visualization and search Maybe, but lacking a client API, I can't see how you could classify Second Life in the same category you'd put graphs, charts, or data mapping software. I won't even touch the "search" aspect of that. open source programming Cory says, "Making games is a difficult process and Open Source methods seem ill suited to making large scale games." So, it's obviously not that. computer security Aren't we still using plain-text passwords and plain-text, public listens while transacting real-dollar business? hardware hacking Isn't Linden Lab typically proud of their ability to use off-the-shelf components to run the grid? GPS Nope. all manner of emerging technologies I'd say maybe here, except virtual worlds have already emerged. Streaming technology has too -- and thanks to Podcasting, streaming has probably unemerged a bit. So, while I poke and kid, I am curious why the FooCamp invited Cory. (And, no, I'm not jealous I didn't get invited. I'm more upset and intrigued that they picked Cory over someone, like Andrew, who has actually shown real technical savvy in my time in SL.) _____________________ "All designers in SL need to be aware of the fact that there are now quite simple methods of complete texture theft in SL that are impossible to stop..." - Cristiano Midnight Ad aspera per intelligentem prohibitus.
Eboni Khan Misanthrope Join date: 17 Mar 2004 Posts: 2,133	08-17-2005 09:09 Stalker much? _____________________
pandastrong Fairplay all bout the BANG POW NOW Join date: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,920	08-17-2005 09:28 From: Eboni Khan Stalker much? Did you get your invitation for "advanced forum-posting histrionics"? I know I did! I can even bring a DATE! _____________________ "Honestly, you are a gem -- fun, creative, and possessing strong social convictions. I think LL should be paying you to be in their game." ~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media "That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline." ~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.
Jarod Godel Utilitarian Join date: 6 Nov 2003 Posts: 729	08-17-2005 09:38 From: Eboni Khan Stalker much? There's this thing called "Internet," you should really use it sometime. _____________________ "All designers in SL need to be aware of the fact that there are now quite simple methods of complete texture theft in SL that are impossible to stop..." - Cristiano Midnight Ad aspera per intelligentem prohibitus.
Branduff Kojima probably doesn't get it. Join date: 1 Apr 2004 Posts: 89	08-17-2005 12:23 From: Jarod Godel There's this thing called "Internet," you should really use it sometime. OMFGWTF!?!?! When did that coem out?!?!?!?!
Eboni Khan Misanthrope Join date: 17 Mar 2004 Posts: 2,133	08-17-2005 12:49 From: Jarod Godel There's this thing called "Internet," you should really use it sometime. Wow, dude. I totally didn't know about the internet. Thanks for telling me about it. I will check it out. Do they sell it at Wal*Mart? It is one thing to read something on the internet. It is another thing to sepculate on why someone was invited to something on a public message board, when it is really none of your damn business why. Thus, "Stalker, Much?". Now, let me check out this internet thing... _____________________
Jarod Godel Utilitarian Join date: 6 Nov 2003 Posts: 729	08-17-2005 13:23 From: Eboni Khan It is one thing to read something on the internet. It is another thing to sepculate on why someone was invited to something on a public message board, when it is really none of your damn business why. Thus, "Stalker, Much?". I disagree. First off, if they're posting all that information to a public website, then it's public information. Public information can be anyone's "damn business" is that someone is curious enough to investigate. Second, I speculate because I'm curious what criteria Cory has met. If there's some piece of Second Life that he's working on that's gotten enough buzz in the FooCamp circle to get him invited to a rather exclusive party of (seemingly) forward-thinking technologists, I'm very interested in knowing. If it's none of my "damn business," then all Cory and the rest of the world has to do is ignore me. I'm not going to pretend it's not a little rude, and that I'm not trying to goad people a little to answer my questions, and hopefully reveal a little bit about some killer widget that got Cory on the list. I've very interested in killer widgets in Second Life. But I guess displaying curiosity in the actions of a company and its employees is something that you've never done as a Fortune 1000 executive. _____________________ "All designers in SL need to be aware of the fact that there are now quite simple methods of complete texture theft in SL that are impossible to stop..." - Cristiano Midnight Ad aspera per intelligentem prohibitus.
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	08-17-2005 13:40 I hear Cory has been promoted to VP Of Conference Going _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Jellin Pico Grumpy Oldbie Join date: 3 Aug 2003 Posts: 1,037	08-17-2005 14:06 From: Jarod Godel So, Cory Linden has been invited to the Friend's Of O'Reilly shindig, but I'm wondering why. The FOO, or FooCamp, lists the type of people they invite, but there's nothing up in that list that Cory's working on: ) Mmmmmm, I hereby pronounce these grapes .... BITTER! _____________________ It's Official! From: Trinity Serpentine Jellin, you are soooooo FIC! Fabulous, Intelligent and Cute
Jarod Godel Utilitarian Join date: 6 Nov 2003 Posts: 729	08-17-2005 14:11 From: Jellin Pico Mmmmmm, I hereby pronounce these grapes .... BITTER! You mean sour grapes? _____________________ "All designers in SL need to be aware of the fact that there are now quite simple methods of complete texture theft in SL that are impossible to stop..." - Cristiano Midnight Ad aspera per intelligentem prohibitus.
Jellin Pico Grumpy Oldbie Join date: 3 Aug 2003 Posts: 1,037	08-17-2005 14:14 From: Jarod Godel You mean sour grapes? Opps!! LOL yes, I always get sour grapes and bitter dregs mixed up _____________________ It's Official! From: Trinity Serpentine Jellin, you are soooooo FIC! Fabulous, Intelligent and Cute
Huns Valen Don't PM me here. Join date: 3 May 2003 Posts: 2,749	08-17-2005 14:14 oh you incorrigible gadfly you "Data Visualization and Search" - this is probably it... SL is one of the most gargantuan data visualization systems on Earth. _____________________ [ huns? \|\| words \|\| 1TBS KREW \|\| VHI Aircraft \|\| Whitepaper on Aircraft Physics ] Make yourself and your objects immune to llPushObject().
pandastrong Fairplay all bout the BANG POW NOW Join date: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,920	08-17-2005 14:15 Jellin wins! _____________________ "Honestly, you are a gem -- fun, creative, and possessing strong social convictions. I think LL should be paying you to be in their game." ~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media "That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline." ~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.
Jarod Godel Utilitarian Join date: 6 Nov 2003 Posts: 729	08-17-2005 14:21 From: Huns Valen "Data Visualization and Search" - this is probably it... SL is one of the most gargantuan data visualization systems on Earth. Maybe, and likely. However, with the exception of "Find" and stuff Xylor (someone else who should have been invited) has done, I don't see how useful it is for that. It could be, don't get me wrong, but right now... I dunno. You're right in regards to it being "one of the most gargantuan data visualization systems on Earth," but it doesn't strike me as being one of the coolest -- when compared against Google Earth, WorldWind, etc. I'm really just hoping Cory or someone will come by and say, "Oh, well, when Tim, Tim O'Reilly, by the way, found out about my working on XYZ, I got invited." _____________________ "All designers in SL need to be aware of the fact that there are now quite simple methods of complete texture theft in SL that are impossible to stop..." - Cristiano Midnight Ad aspera per intelligentem prohibitus.
Memory Harker Girl Anachronism Join date: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 393	The answer is ever so simple ... 08-17-2005 14:24 You may recall, Jarod, that Cory was recently inworld to purchase one of those "aluminum foil" hats that Loki Pico was selling. And since that time, Loki has been controlling Cory through the hat's double-seekrit reverse-psycho-transcriptase conduit, thus assuring his (Loki's) ultimate dominion over ––– URK!
Ardith Mifflin Mecha Fiend Join date: 5 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,416	08-17-2005 17:16 From: Jarod Godel Aren't we still using plain-text passwords and plain-text, public listens while transacting real-dollar business? Schwaa? /invalid_link.html
Jarod Godel Utilitarian Join date: 6 Nov 2003 Posts: 729	08-17-2005 18:33 From: Ardith Mifflin Schwaa? /invalid_link.html Oh, cool! Glad to be wrong about that. _____________________ "All designers in SL need to be aware of the fact that there are now quite simple methods of complete texture theft in SL that are impossible to stop..." - Cristiano Midnight Ad aspera per intelligentem prohibitus.
Jarod Godel Utilitarian Join date: 6 Nov 2003 Posts: 729	08-17-2005 19:45 Well, okay, I cen see why Cory got invited, and despite my earlier contentions, it makes sense after looking at that list. He's VP of Product Development, and that would be exact person O'Reilly, the publishers, would want to talk to about future books on 3D, Virtual World development. _____________________ "All designers in SL need to be aware of the fact that there are now quite simple methods of complete texture theft in SL that are impossible to stop..." - Cristiano Midnight Ad aspera per intelligentem prohibitus.
Andrew Linden Linden staff Join date: 18 Nov 2002 Posts: 692	08-17-2005 23:57 I think virtual world technology is still emerging, so LL's presense at the O'Reilly conference makes sense. There is much potential for SL to move into the "web services" space. Integration of a 2D browser into the SL engine will open all sorts of possibilites. I'm sure I can't even imagine what the most interesting applications will be. Security is something in which many of us here at LL are interested (the SL client password is not sent as clear text). There is much data to be processed/browsed in SL and as developers of the technology we are interested in data visualization/search and how to make it better and easier within the SL user interface. Cory's statement about OS not being well suited for large scale games is correct for games that have high art/content costs and a relatively short lifespan. I once read an article where it was pointed out why OS does not work well for games. As noted at the end, it DOES work well for games with a long lifespan, which is why I think it would work well for SL, and why I'm in the "open the source sooner rather than later" camp here at LL. Please take my word for it: Cory is the correct guy to be going to things like FooCamp. He is smarter than me and much faster at whatever it is he sets his mind to. A sharper razor would be hard to find. Me? I just like to make verbose technical posts to these forums whenever I get the chance.